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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Does the general public want to watch programmes about Transwomen?

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TiredOldHen · 08/08/2025 09:13

Media like The Guardian, Independent, BBC…etc really seem to push and promote any programmes with a very prominent transwoman/transwomen content. I just wondered how popular they actually are with viewers. For example there was lots of Trailers and ‘You must watch this’, ‘Essential viewing’… for What it Feels Like for a Girl. Do viewing figures reflect the same level of interest amongst viewers for programmes launched like this or Drag Race. I would genuinely like to know if they are satisfying a demand. Most programmes for young people now seem to have at least one trans person. It’s hard to tell in my bubble how interested people are outside the GC/TWAW debate.or if it’s just (in a Dr Who way) pushed upon them as something they should be aware interested in.

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Annoyedone · 08/08/2025 23:24

suggestionsplease1 · 08/08/2025 23:14

My post explained the negligible overall impact that self-ID processes would have on a country's performance in these indices. We are able to conclude from the overall data (additionally considering studies that analyse trans wellbeing and equality) that these countries are 'good' for both women and transwomen.

But how do you know? If TW are being recorded as women surely that would skew the data wouldnt it? And recording them as TW would therefore imply they are not women, Which definition of woman are you using?

SugarSoiree · 08/08/2025 23:31

LoverOfTerriers · 08/08/2025 23:20

You’re the one who keeps arguing with everyone that it isn’t offensive, so clearly you don’t think we’re allowed our opinions!

That's quite a stretch.

suggestionsplease1 · 08/08/2025 23:36

Annoyedone · 08/08/2025 23:24

But how do you know? If TW are being recorded as women surely that would skew the data wouldnt it? And recording them as TW would therefore imply they are not women, Which definition of woman are you using?

I have explained about the extent that this could influence the data in these indices, and this is marginal. Unless you are a conspiracy theorist, in which case pick any figure you like 😁

Shmoigel · 08/08/2025 23:38

The final series of sex education absolutely bombed because of the proliferation!!

Annoyedone · 09/08/2025 04:58

suggestionsplease1 · 08/08/2025 23:36

I have explained about the extent that this could influence the data in these indices, and this is marginal. Unless you are a conspiracy theorist, in which case pick any figure you like 😁

Yes bit you haven’t explained which definition of woman you are using when you claim these countries are good for women. Are you using the correct adult human female definition or the incorrect “anyone who says they are” definition?

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/08/2025 10:17

SugarSoiree · 08/08/2025 22:17

All of the drag queens I ever have seen are gay effeminate men. They're not blokey blokes from down the pub just taking the piss out of their MIL by chucking a wig on.

Drag started as effeminate gay men expressing their feminine side when it was unacceptable for men to be feminine, a cover for them if you like. That is obviously not the case any more, though a lot of men really seem to be uncomfortable around effeminate gay men and especially drag queens so it's clearly still not openly accepted. I certainly don't think the effeminate gay men who appear in drag race are in positions of power in society and oppressing women.

Whether you all think it's acceptable or not, you simply cannot deny the artistry of it. Many modern make up techniques including contouring were invented by drag queens.

I think we all know the drag narrative....about gay man appropriating that which they've been 'accused of' ( ie being a 'girly'; being 'effeminate etc) and reclaiming it, somehow.....but to my mind most drag is just insulting and offensive to women...relying on crude jokes about sex and the female body, especially female genitals ( which give most gay men the ick'). A lot of gay men say it is all about "celebrating" women...but that is certainly not how it comes across, or how it feels at all.I actually think many gay men are totally repulsed by female bodies.

SugarSoiree · 09/08/2025 10:23

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/08/2025 10:17

I think we all know the drag narrative....about gay man appropriating that which they've been 'accused of' ( ie being a 'girly'; being 'effeminate etc) and reclaiming it, somehow.....but to my mind most drag is just insulting and offensive to women...relying on crude jokes about sex and the female body, especially female genitals ( which give most gay men the ick'). A lot of gay men say it is all about "celebrating" women...but that is certainly not how it comes across, or how it feels at all.I actually think many gay men are totally repulsed by female bodies.

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Well of course you totally know more about what peoples intentions are than the people actually doing the thing and telling you what their intentions are 🙄

Waitwhat23 · 09/08/2025 11:07

SugarSoiree · 09/08/2025 10:23

Well of course you totally know more about what peoples intentions are than the people actually doing the thing and telling you what their intentions are 🙄

In the scenario you keep advancing, it's men calling other men 'girly', 'women' and 'effeminate' because those men see women as lesser than men. They use it as an insult. So the men being referred to as 'girly' (because to misogynists, it's the ultimate insult) then 'reclaim' the insult by...using misogynistic language (fishy), wearing over the top makeup and leaning into bitchy stereotypes about women. It's not celebrating women or being feminine or effeminate. It's making women the brunt of the joke. It's the idea that being a woman is so clearly lesser to men that we can be reduced to stereotypes.

How is that anything but deeply insulting to women? Their intent is quite clear.

Shortshriftandlethal · 09/08/2025 12:49

SugarSoiree · 09/08/2025 10:23

Well of course you totally know more about what peoples intentions are than the people actually doing the thing and telling you what their intentions are 🙄

You do realise that many of us have been around drag and the male, gay scene more generally.

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