Custody officer job withdrawn for GC beliefs - Gribbon (SP legal team) is his solicitor

[InterrobangsArePureBias]

I wonder how many more of such actions will be launched. To adapt Jimmy Doyle’s phrase, “the spectacle of this nation’s [lanyard classes] enforcing moral auto-lobotomy as a condition of entry to [employment]”.

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as ‘she’ or ‘her’ has launched legal action against one of the UK’s largest security firms.
Army veteran David Toshack, 50, was dismissed by GEOAmey during a training course only days before taking up a role as a prison custody officer (PCO) at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The father of three told a safeguarding workshop that he would not be comfortable using a transgender inmates’ preferred gender pronouns and expressed his belief that a man could not become a woman.
It sparked a horrified reaction from bosses at the firm, which employs thousands of justice workers across the UK, who said his views were against the law and company policy.
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He said: ‘I’m just a normal, working class person who’s never been in trouble with the law before, not got a criminal record, lived a good life. I’ve been prepared to go and fight and die for my country, and then I have come back here and been told that there’s certain things you can’t think or can’t say.’

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Original story about David Toshack in Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

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my age.

MM - doesn't the Army have some of the same features around trans
DT - there's a massive disconnect between the training command in the Army and the lads on the ground
MM - in the whole Army
DT - I can't speak for the whole Army
MM - what does diversity mean in DEI

DT - if there's a hundred people it can't be 100 white men, it needs to be a percentage of women, black people etc. It shouldn't be that way it should be the 100 people best for the job
MM - what does inclusion mean in the corporate world
DT - it's including people who are

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historically under-represented
MM - why do you call that insanity
DT - it's one way street, and if you disagree then you are excluded. I believe it should be a meritocracy.
MM - surely DEI is about a lot more than that, not just about quotas
DT - quotas lower standard, the only

I disagree strongly with him about quotas and standards. Meritocracy doesn't exist when it's all the same type of people.

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way to include everyone is to lower standard and I don't think that's correct
MM - lots of orgs have DEI policies, your view is that having those policies and procedures, that will inevitably lead to the standards of performance being reduced
DT - broadly speaking, I agree

MM - you don't see DEI as a way of encouraging people who are disabled, women, homosexuals, etc into the workplace and society
DT - I believe it comes from a good place, but I think that merit is a better basis, who wants a hand up, isn't it better to earn what you have

💥 BOOM!!💥

Rapist gender
Shame he could not roll that down to his job

MM - <post about SNP gov) why did you call them corrupt,
DT - the SNP wanted to introduce gender self ID, then being asked about Isla Bryson, is he a man, fudging the answer.
MM - so any government that tries to follow the interest of trans people is morally corrupt

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MM - you see trans as inexplicably linked to DEI
DT - not necessarily
MM - <describes trump post>
DT - it's just because he was dealing with the two issues
MM <Zuckerberg altered post> using the term trans is a negative insulting terrible term

DT - it's derogatory, not as bad as you described
MM - you think trans people are weird
DT - it is a strange thing to want to change your sex, it is weird
MM - <trump post> why is it good to end unconscious bias training
DT - I think it achieves the opposite of what is intended

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MM - do you believe that unconscious bias (UB) is a real thing
DT - maybe
MM - the objective of UB is to raise awareness of bias, why does you think that
DT - I'm not explaining it very well, but it's because it's being rammed down people's throats

MM - I've been in a number of UB trainings and its about raising awareness and that you might align yourself with people like you and not different from you, what's your experience
DT - my experience is different from yours, and the people who I've done it with think the same,

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MM - you call DEI poison, do you think its bad in all orgs
DT - in my experience when people get promoted based on it are not competent, they are bad leaders, and bad for organisation
MM - what do you mean about people disavowing it
DT - People who went along with it and when

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it goes away, they turn around and say I never agreed with it.

MM - who are these people
DT - from my experience, I know
MM - <Sandie Peggie> pictures of Dr Upton, soft focus, looked too much like a woman
DT - only showing one side of the story he's a biological man,

The prick was so annoyed at not being able to claim a gotcha here that he took a swipe at DH having a colour copy.

What does MM mean "greater freedoms"?

I do kind of
In Army training the physical matters and design is for male bodies

But
See it Be it

it does have to happen first before real social change happens

Women were not given quotas and know they had to be better and were (are) still undervalued against the male counterparts

Based on the tweets, this isn’t going that well now. Especially the unconscious bias stuff. It’s one thing thinking that biological men can’t become women, but thinking that unconscious bias training is nonsense isn’t right.

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pictures were only of him looking like a woman
MM - who was that, television, photographers
DT - who ever was taking the pictures, using the filuters
MM <cancellation of Pride month> you don't like Pride Month
DT - no need for it
MM - gay people have same rights as everyone

DT - yes, that's what i think
MM - what is the purpose of pride month, why do they happy
DT - nowadays I don't see a good reason for it, what are they marching for, i could see it years ago, when gay people didn't have the same rights as straight people, I could have seen the

Women who join the infantry have to pass the same tests as men. Given their smaller stature and mass, the women who get through are truly exceptional. Imagine if you reduced the time and increased the pack size proportionally for men to mirror what the women are doing. You'd have very few men in the infantry.

Women bring other skills than speed and strength. Shooting is one thing I can say is roughly equal, assuming the gun isn't heavy. Before the handgun ban I regularly took medals in pistol, beating men easily.

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point years ago, but why now.
MM - it's just that community, the LGBTQ+ community celebrating their greater freedoms, where is the harm
DT - I would say where's the need? I know there a number of LGB people who don't want to be associated with it. They don't agree with pride.

MM - you didn't answer the q. Why is it a bad thing
DT - I did not say its a bad thing, I said it's not needed.

MM - even if you are right and it's not needed, where is the harm
DT - I'm not saying there's harm, I'm saying it's not needed. As a military person, there's only

one Armed Forces Day
MM - why do you want it cancelled
DT - there's no need for it, no rights that gay people don't have. It was marching for equal rights, they have equal rights. Why do they need it
MM - why do you want to get rid of it
DT - I don't understand why pride month

Well the LBGTQ+ having a whole month and every other protected characteristics have only one day, they are getting special treatment.

Plus it is all the others days too.

MM - I've been in a number of UB trainings and its about raising awareness and that you might align yourself with people like you and not different from you, what's your experience

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😬😁😬

Should do redo the disability 👀one

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when they have the same rights as everyone else.
MM - that's the end of the social media posts,
J - shall we have a comfort break, back at 10 past.
Rises.

MM - I've been in a number of UB trainings and its about raising awareness and that you might align yourself with people like you and not different from you, what's your experience
DT - my experience is different from yours, and the people who I've done it with think the same,

This will resonate with so many people.

I don't agree with him either but surely you can't be suggesting that someone with non mainstream views shouldn't be protected from discrimination.
His views on diversity hiring aren't protected but there's no suggestion he didn't get the job because of them.
His views on gender are protected. That protection isn't invalidated because he is separately guilty of another form "wrong think"

I do agree he should be protected. I just said this isn’t going well for him. Like when they started saying Sandie Peggie was a racist, they can start destroying his credibility with this.

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TBF we must remember he is being paid (lots one would guess) to be a professional prick.

He may be lovely at dinner parties.

I agree with him, it should be about merit.

I think all job applications should be done blind, ie, no age, sex, ethnicity etc, just experience that is suited to that Job. Which should hopefully stop the "old boys network" of recruitment.

I worked for a recruitment agency in the 1990's and one of our customers, a London Borough Council, would readvertise the same job, over and over again, until they recruited someone from an ethnic minority. It was not based on ability to do the job, just skin colour. That cannot be right.

I know this to be true as I had to do the numbers on the rejections/success etc.

First morning session tweets here:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2016800189353251055.html