South Yorkshire Police

[WarriorN]

I feel I personally didn’t give this the attention it deserved yesterday due to the Peggie proceedings.

This was still going on after JS died.

It should NOT have to be a civil case.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn9y0lvpyqvo

It's hard reading. Those poor girls.

The enquiry absolutely needs to be independent, too. What a mess.

I don’t understand why people seem to think child abusers are attracted to all sorts of jobs with power but somehow the police are untouched.

I'm not saying that’s anyone here, but all the excuses that have been made for the police over the years (“fear of racism!”) seem to sidestep using Occam’s Razor.

Yes, exactly.

Horrifying but not surprising. Those poor girls.

How are South Yorkshire still in existence?

The miner's strike, Hillsborough and this. It can't be the same people over that length of time, which to me suggests it is systematic.

Don't forget the South Yorkshire police helicopter pilot than constantly flew over people's gardens spying on women sunbathing on their own property.

As bad as SYP are it’s not just them, is it? West Yorkshire Police were best buds with Jimmy Savile.

Why do you think there’s a line in Red Riding - “To the North, where we do what we want.”

I dont think its so much that people assume individuals wouldnt do it, its that they assume it would be difficult to get away with.

How do officers rape children, sell drugs and attack childen in police stations, and no other officer know or do anything about it? They are literally trained to identify and stop crime.

Because it’s unlikely to be just one person?

Because the “team” is more important than kids?

This has gone on for years and the main excuse for police failure has always been fear of being accused of racism. Despite most police forces not giving a shit about disproportionally stopping Black men under vague suspicions, despite casual racist remarks from officers, despite institutional racism running through the police like a stick of rock (not all police of course).

There’s clearly an attraction to the force for certain people, just as there is to work in schools, scouting, volunteering for youth groups etc. Power and access.

Was also thinking of that line in Red Riding! Actually reading the first book at the moment but have seen the TV adaptation.

Sadly this did not surprise me. The other disgraceful actions of South Yorkshire Police have been mentioned by other people.

How are South Yorkshire still in existence?

They have a full time job investigating ... South Yorkshire Police. (I shit ye not).

Just imagine being one of the good ones there. Chilling.

I have been certain since the early 1980s that South Yorkshire Police is rotten. The first reason for this belief is that during the days of the Yorkshire Ripper, the police used to offer girls lifts if they saw us late at night walking home. A friend accepted one and the police officer thought that showing her his genitals was a good idea. We were 16. The second is that a retired senior officer connected to my family took his own life in the early 1990s. It is now clear that he was a key player in the Hillsborough cover-up.

Maybe there aren't any good ones ?

I mean we hear all these fairy stories about the "good" police. However in my book "good" means reporting all and any cases of officers breaking the law and abusing their powers. Especially when simultaneously urging the public to "come forward" in the full knowledge you have fuck all intention of protecting them.

Maybe all those who started with good intentions have either been turned or hounded out.

The road to hell.

fucking hell Ida, I’m so sorry

Not forgetting the miners' strike, Orgreave, etc.

I'm stunned this isn't the major talking point everywhere. The police marking their own homework is how all this shit stays hidden

I've got a lot of (angry) thoughts on the actual case, and that they're being allowed to investigate themselves. And raising a serious brow at the coincidence that the one bloke they were going to investigate for this got conveniently hit by a car the same day and died before he could rat out anyone else. However...

What I want to know is how on Earth do the police find time to do all this drug dealing, raping etc? We're constantly told they're too busy to attend burglaries. Is there not some kind of accountability for what, exactly, they spend all day doing, like in normal jobs? I'm just thinking if I buggered off for an hour or two in any of the jobs I've had in the past, people would notice and wonder what I'd been doing, and expect me to be able to account for my time.

What are we actually paying them for? Who is holding them accountable for the things they're doing on work time? Because it seems like no one is.

Obviously what's happened with these girls is the worst of what they're doing (as far as we know), but even low-level timewasting like just dicking around at home or going to the cinema on work time or whatever, that's money coming out of the public purse paying people who aren't actually doing their jobs while simultaneously bemoaning how they're too busy to do their jobs. I don't understand how they're allowed the opportunities to do this sort of thing and it smacks of an environment where people can just do whatever they want.

I don't for a second think it's just SYP, I think it's endemic. They're just the ones who are getting caught because we're more willing to believe it of a force who seemingly covered up and abetted these grooming gangs.

Both are very much remembered.

Who will conduct the recently announced Orgreave Enquiry? My money's on South Yorkshire Police.

It most definitely is not just SYP. I'm pretty sure one of the other survivors - Jade maybe? Also said a cop or PCSO raped her, somewhere down south. I have no doubt that GMP will also have some questions to answer.

The characters who ran SYP back in the day will have recruited their successors and so on, and that's how a force becomes institutionally toxic over decades - same with the Met of course.

They don't want do-gooders and if your face doesn't fit, you're out.

Westminster MPs won't intervene because most police forces I guess will have dirt on them and am prepared to dish it if needs be. Remember when then Home Secretary Theresa May said she was looking into the Met, despite being warned she was pulling at a very long piece of string? Within months we had Plebgate when Andrew Mitchell was sacked for abusing a copper on his pushbike - he exposed two coppers as lying via his secret recordings but went too far in going after the copper and his notebook and lost a libel action. That most likely came about after May's action, along with daft rumours about Edward Heath and paedophile deaths on his yacht, all a warning shot across the bows of the Tory party methinks.

Surrey Police won't usefully investigate care home scandals - why, deaths save their mates at the Council a fortune.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgd07n3565o

'The Hon Zoë Billingham CBE, who spent 12 years inspecting police forces, said: "Trust and confidence are at the heart of this and victims are not trusting this will be done well, and we have to listen to the victim's voices in this.
"It would be perfectly reasonable for another police to be asked to come in and investigate independently under the auspices of the IOPC and I think that should happen immediately."'