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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sandie Peggie sues union over lack of support

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mardirousse · 19/07/2025 08:49

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25325910.peggie-sues-rcn-lack-support-nhs-fife-trans-row/?ref=twtrec

Or archive version here

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Sandie Peggie sues nursing union for abandoning her in NHS Fife changing room row

Sandie Peggie claims the RCN failed to support her over her gender-critical beliefs after she raised concerns about a trans doctor using female…

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/25325910.peggie-sues-rcn-lack-support-nhs-fife-trans-row/?ref=twtrec

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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/07/2025 17:55

Twiglets1 · 19/07/2025 16:07

Good for her.

I was a member of a different union (NEU) and found them completely useless when I needed support.

They take your money but often seem to just toe the employers line when it comes to it rather than even try to defend their members.

That's the same feeling I have about them, I got involved with the union years back, a rep and all that, but I became very disillusioned, the union officials seem to be more management than management. I decided I was wasting my valuable time with it all, I left the union when I left the job, and never joined another since.

BlueLimes · 19/07/2025 19:48

There’s a TRA quite high up in the RCN.

ThatCyanCat · 19/07/2025 19:52

BlueLimes · 19/07/2025 19:48

There’s a TRA quite high up in the RCN.

I assumed...

Will be interesting to see how this goes. Obviously I want Sandie to win. IANAL but I'd have thought a union had a legal obligation to support its members in asserting their legal rights, so even if it passed a motion pretending that men can be women, Sandie still had a right to a female changing space and her union had an obligation to help her uphold that right when it was under threat. I don't know but that would make sense.

BlueLimes · 19/07/2025 19:57

NHS unfortunately fully captured, in fact the women’s grouo in my trust issued a statement after the court ruling expressing their concern and support for TW. They’ve never spoken up about any issue before. It’s infuriating. Well more than that.

MatronPomfrey · 19/07/2025 19:59

The RCN is a disgrace, 25 years I’ve been a member. They only spoke up about the Darlington nurses after the SC ruling. Their journal, Nursing Standard, has had articles using Gender GP as a reference. Various articles about a male nurse identifying as a woman. Apparently we need to be more “enlightened” and allow them in our spaces.

BellissimoGecko · 19/07/2025 20:00

Good. She is amazingly brave. I hope she wins.

657904I · 19/07/2025 20:03

I can’t access the links, how can she sue the union? Like is it civil court, and on what basis? I went through similar with my union but didn’t think there is legal recourse available

viques · 19/07/2025 20:07

Sandie needs to have statues erected in her honour, she is doing more to both support women in the workplace and protect our rights outside the workplace than any other person in the country.

Bless you Sandie.

Arran2024 · 19/07/2025 20:43

ThatCyanCat · 19/07/2025 19:52

I assumed...

Will be interesting to see how this goes. Obviously I want Sandie to win. IANAL but I'd have thought a union had a legal obligation to support its members in asserting their legal rights, so even if it passed a motion pretending that men can be women, Sandie still had a right to a female changing space and her union had an obligation to help her uphold that right when it was under threat. I don't know but that would make sense.

Apparently unions won't support members in certain circumstances eg when they believe the member is acting against union policy.

TrainedByCats · 19/07/2025 20:48

MimiGC · 19/07/2025 09:35

Wow, you have to admire Sandie’s fortitude! If it was me, I’d have been inclined to wait for the result of the Tribunal first, rather than fight on two fronts at the same time. NHS Fife are beclowning themselves big time, so assuming the Tribunal finds in SP’s favour, that would surely be good ammunition for the RCN fight.

By declaring now I think it might mean they can’t go deleting any relevant emails or documents. I suspect timing is just in case they were tempted to do a bit of a purge of anything incriminating when conclusion from this tribunal is in.

ThatCyanCat · 19/07/2025 20:49

Arran2024 · 19/07/2025 20:43

Apparently unions won't support members in certain circumstances eg when they believe the member is acting against union policy.

But even when they're trying to assert a legal right?

Arran2024 · 19/07/2025 20:59

ThatCyanCat · 19/07/2025 20:49

But even when they're trying to assert a legal right?

I believe they often won't get involved in allegations of racism for example. Of course we know how captured the union movement is. I guess they chose to view "transphobia" in the same way. Obviously that's outrageous and hopefully they are looking at how they support gender critical members.

Needspaceforlego · 19/07/2025 21:40

Go Sandie go 💪

I have nothing but admiration for you.

PerformativeBewilderment · 19/07/2025 22:53

TrainedByCats · 19/07/2025 09:55

Awesome, she’s on fire 🔥

Sandie’s on fire and it’s not the witch burning pyre they were expecting!

PrettyDamnCosmic · 20/07/2025 08:15

ThatCyanCat · 19/07/2025 19:52

I assumed...

Will be interesting to see how this goes. Obviously I want Sandie to win. IANAL but I'd have thought a union had a legal obligation to support its members in asserting their legal rights, so even if it passed a motion pretending that men can be women, Sandie still had a right to a female changing space and her union had an obligation to help her uphold that right when it was under threat. I don't know but that would make sense.

Sandie will be taking the RCN to an Employment Tribunal as that is how you seek redress when your union treats you badly. There was recently a case where the makers of the film "Adult Human Female" sued the UCU for preventing showing of the film siding with TRAs instead of them as union members. They lost but are appealing.

WhereAreWeNow · 20/07/2025 08:33

Good for her. I really hope my union is paying attention. Maybe finally unions will see that by following Stonewall advice and being led by their LGBT committees, they've alienated a lot of women members.

Opinionpolecat · 20/07/2025 08:58

I hope the BMA are taking note of this, although given their level of arrogance and misogyny they probably aren't. Luckily for them they've got the resident doctors' potential industrial action to distract everyone from their inability to understand biology and the law. At the recent ARM they chose to pass this:

70.
Motion by LONDON REGIONAL COUNCIL: That this meeting calls on the BMA:-
i) to affirm the right of all LGBTQ+ patients and staff to identity-based care and working conditions - defined as care and policies that actively account for the individual’s lived, intersecting identities (including sexuality, gender, neurodivergence, race, and cultural background);
ii) to produce pan-UK guidance and a lobbying strategy to embed this principle into NHS equality standards, training frameworks, and institutional policies.

Interesting how neurodivergence, race and cultural background are now somehow added to LGBTQ+.

They didn’t seem to get round to these other tabled motions:

EM21
That this meeting notes the Supreme Court judgment of 16 April 2025 which clarified that the protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act 2010 means biological sex.
The Court also clarified the rights of people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment to be protected from discrimination and harassment.
This meeting notes the Public Sector Equality Duty obligation on NHS and health care organisations, unions and employers to balance the rights of all those with a protected characteristic to be protected from unlawful discrimination under the Equality Act.
This meeting calls on the BMA to review its policies to ensure they are compliant with the Equality Act, taking account of the legal clarification of the Supreme Court that “sex” in the Equality Act means biological sex.

EM22.
Following from the Supreme Court ruling definition of a ‘woman’ with respect to the Equality Act as a binary biological sex identity, this meeting recognises the evidence-based definition of sex as a bimodal spectrum of identities, which are determined by factors including but not limited to chromosomes, gene expression, hormonal profiles, external genitalia, internal reproductive organs, and secondary sexual characteristics. We recognise that one individual may present various combinations of all these characteristics. Therefore, this meeting:-
i)calls on the BMA to assert its position on affirming the rights of transgender and non-binary individuals to live their lives with dignity, and respect;
ii) believes that the Supreme Court’s ruling defining the term ‘woman’ with respect to the Equality Act as being based on ‘biological sex’, referring to a person who ‘was at birth of the female sex’, is not based on scientific evidence;
iii)notes the exclusion of expert scientific and transgender voices during the Supreme Court evidence gathering to reach its final ruling on the definition of a ‘woman’.

EM23.
That this meeting believes that the BMA should act in accordance with UK law. While recognising the rights of all people within the UK under the Equality Act, we note that the UK Supreme Court has stated that “woman” means biological woman. This meeting calls on the BMA to:-
i) accept formally the UK supreme court judgment in For Women Scotland Ltd;
ii)acknowledge the rights of women to sex-based rights;
iii)acknowledge the rights of people with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment to be free from discrimination;
iv)work towards ways to manage the conflicts in rights that might have arisen from the judgment, including ensuring freedom of speech in this area.

You can find all these in the Wednesday document of motions passed at ARM 2025 linked on this page:

https://www.bma.org.uk/what-we-do/annual-representative-meeting/highlights-from-arm-2025

Highlights from ARM 2025

Watch highlights, read news, and download passed motions from each day of the event.

https://www.bma.org.uk/what-we-do/annual-representative-meeting/highlights-from-arm-2025

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 20/07/2025 11:47

Sandie joined the Darlington Nursing Union in February. I wonder if she left the RCN at that time or has got dual membership? It would not prevent her taking a Section 57 case against the RCN if she has left or if she has stayed in membership.

The RCN allows dual membership because it also functions as a Professional Body. Quite a lot of the nurses I knew when I was working in the NHS were in the RCN and another union.

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 20/07/2025 11:49

Incidentally, these shocking CCTV images from NHS Female Nurses' Changing Rooms from around the UK have recently emerged 😱 🤭
https://x.com/POWLizPanton/status/1946808959765000653

Needspaceforlego · 20/07/2025 12:31

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 20/07/2025 11:49

Incidentally, these shocking CCTV images from NHS Female Nurses' Changing Rooms from around the UK have recently emerged 😱 🤭
https://x.com/POWLizPanton/status/1946808959765000653

Surely those can't be real?
They look like something out a sit-com.

I would love to know if a certain individual has any dodgy photos on their phone.

ItisntOver · 20/07/2025 13:18

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 20/07/2025 11:49

Incidentally, these shocking CCTV images from NHS Female Nurses' Changing Rooms from around the UK have recently emerged 😱 🤭
https://x.com/POWLizPanton/status/1946808959765000653

Isn’t there enough misinformation without adding to it?

POWNewcastleEastWallsend · 20/07/2025 14:23

Needspaceforlego · 20/07/2025 12:31

Surely those can't be real?
They look like something out a sit-com.

I would love to know if a certain individual has any dodgy photos on their phone.

if nothing else gives the game away that they are not real surely the cartoon did it?😂

Needspaceforlego · 20/07/2025 15:09

I had my kid hanging over my shoulder. Couldn't spend too long looking at them 😂

JaneyGunn85 · 20/07/2025 16:46

Good!. The vast majority of those who pay for their services are female. Sandie Peggy paid them for a service and they failed to provide it, choosing insteF to back a doctor (who almost certainly is NOT an RCN member.

mumda · 20/07/2025 16:51

I just wondered if a union could be for women only...

And ended up on this page
https://www.lrd.org.uk/free-read/whats-outlook-women-our-unions

The "other" seems strangely high.

TUC Membership
Male
2,209,728
Female
2,571,894
Other*
554,978
Total
5,336,600

What’s the outlook for women in our unions?

The biennial Labour Research survey of women’s representation and participation in unions takes stock of what progress unions are making i

https://www.lrd.org.uk/free-read/whats-outlook-women-our-unions