Tavistock gender clinic ‘to be sued by 1,000 families"

[BeeSouriante]

www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/tavistock-gender-clinic-to-be-sued-by-1-000-families-lbsw6k8zd

https://archive.is/biQ9U

This was nearly 3 years ago, but it's been crickets since..does anyone have any news on this?

Stay classy, Bee.

My understanding is that they didn't get enough victims coming forward for a group action to make sense, so they are pursuing individual claims on behalf of the victims who got in touch.

Presumably it's going to take ages to collate all the details from such a large number of litigants. The court system is not known for moving quickly. Did you miss the news last week that they're looking at overhauling the justice system due to backlogs? Major state-sanctioned cock ups (such as the Horizon and infected blood scandals) generally have extremely slow-turning wheels.

You could always ask the legal firm's PR department for a statement if you've got proper credentials and a genuine reason to know (e.g. to write a follow-up article).

You could always ask the legal firm's PR department for a statement if you've got proper credentials and a genuine reason to know (e.g. to write a follow-up article).

As opposed to just shit stirring on the internet, like Bee does in the hope that he's going to "educate" us.

Thank you, I will look out for these

I’ve learned a lot about Bee, to be fair.

https://share.google/FIr6T2357DB8wGioB
Mr Goodhead pointed to the online shaming and social media attacks against so-called de-transitioners, people who decide to stop or reverse their gender transition.A Reddit group called ‘r/detrans’ has 41,500 members who share their experiences about stigma and other issues, including online vitriol, doxxing, harassment and death threats after they make the decisions to detransition. One de-transitioner told the Mail that trans people eschew de-transitioners for “invalidating their narrative”.Fears of being caught in toxic culture wars have seen rival law firms avoid taking on gender-critical disputes altogether.

Thanks Bee for advertising this important case. Pogust Goodhead is still gathering clients it seems. People can sign up here

https://tavistockclaimlawyers.com/

Note it is worth remember the NHS usually settles negligence cases out of court. Look art some stats. https://resolution.nhs.uk/2024/07/23/nhs-resolution-continues-trend-of-resolving-more-cases-without-need-for-litigation/

Just because there hasn't been publicity doesn't mean that cases have not been won and compensation has been paid. We can't be sure. However these type of cases usually take years so it is early days yet.

I believe that Ritchie was unable to complete his action against the clinic that operated on him as they’d since changed the rules.

that may be one factor but I’m not a lawyer nor do I know the details of the cases.

Obviously lots of laws have since changes

Extract from the 2023 press release below:

https://www.slatergordon.co.uk/newsroom/tavistock-clinic-the-story-so-far/

Similar cases managed to our experts
This is similar to our experts’ recent work on the Ian Paterson litigation, which proceeded by way of test cases rather than GLO. In 2015, Slater and Gordon lead the Paterson Litigation against disgraced surgeon Ian Paterson. This was headed by Emma Doughty, head of our medical negligence team, and principal lawyer Laura Preston. This was, and still is, the largest European litigation to occur against a single surgeon. The complex process took place from 2015 until a final settlement was reached in 2017 for the sum of £37 million.

Slater and Gordon put forward several cases highlighting the specific issues experienced by the claimants, which were similar but not identical. It allowed the court to consider there being a pattern, but in each individual case, damages were assessed on the intricacies of that patient’s unique history and experience and the harm they as an individual suffered.

Tavistock cases will almost certainly require the same individualised approach. This will likely mean a much higher level of compensation for affected claimants than in a “one size fits all” GLO approach. It will be key that these vulnerable individuals approach a firm not only with a team of clinical negligence specialists, but one that also has the required experience in group litigation. Our experts are specialists in this area of law, with a long-standing history of working on these types of cases.

The damages ensured compensation for thousands of claimants who had been affected by Ian Paterson’s negligence. Since then, Slater and Gordon has continued to serve victims of Ian Paterson by providing compensation under the Second Trust, set up by Spire Healthcare in July 2021. Each victim’s case is being reviewed and compensated on an individual basis, an approach that Slater and Gordon believe is fundamental in such complex cases.

Keep in might at the point that this was published the Interim Report had been published but the full Cass Review wasn't finalised and published until April 2024. This in itself will have delayed matters because until this point it would have been impossible to start to drawing cases together properly.

We've then had all sorts of other legal cases which are relevant here too - the Supreme Court is relevant because of the Equality Act and how scathing the SC was about homophobia being a driving force for transactivism. Slater and Gordon may well be looking at whether young gay and lesbian children were failed and did not get equal treatment under the law because they were same sex attracted. Hannah Barnes' observations in her book about the levels of homosexual children sucked into this are shocking. And gay staff who raised these concerns were dismissed.

Its very much a case of the situation changing almost monthly at present, in ways that may hold significance, and improve the strength of a claim. It actually makes a degree of sense to wait a little until certain cases/guidance is fully completed rather than trying to attempt to push ahead straight away.

Why would you go to court before the EHRC guidance is fully in place? It makes no sense to rush this.

If there are a 1000 claimants, thats A LOT of work. The fact theres been no further update is far from saying that its just disappeared into nothing; it's more likely of being indicative of there being a high number of individuals who are putting forward claims.

But nice try at a Gotcha Thread.

I'm noting here that The Tavistock Compensation Claim is a legal firm called Pogust Goodhead. Thats a SEPARATE legal firm to Slater and Gordon from what I can see.

So it looks like theres more than one law firm looking at this subject.

If thats the case, the lawyers think theres money here.

That's really interesting. Slater and Gordon are a well-respected international law firm that act for Asbestos victims and church/orphanage abuse victims in countries from Australia, NZ, the UK and more. To have a major, well-known and well respected leader in law firms going against Gender Ideology and childhood sterilisation and castration is a major boon for feminism and Gender Critics. They are so well-respected that they just may be a key in destroying the cult and waking the general public up. I'm really excited about this!!

I remember being very sceptical about the 1,000 claim when it was first published. Pogust Goodhead aren't even a medical negligence firm, as far as I'm aware, so I think they were just after a bit of publicity in the hope that they would attract clients.

The problem with medical negligence litigation is that you have to bring a case within three years of the negligence, so that if you only regret your detransition three or four years down the line, you're stuffed.

In January 2024, Thomas Goodhead of Pogust Goodhead claimed that while his firm was definitely preparing some serious claims on behalf of a number of victims (no detail, no firm numbers) he has found that there was nowhere near the scale of litigation anticipated stating:
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“That could be for a number of reasons,” he added. “It could be that actually, people are satisfied, and they don’t regret the treatments despite all of the evidence that has come out.”

He also says

“It could also be – and I have suspicions about this – that there is such a fear for people to come forward and admit that they aren’t happy about the treatment they received or that parents are afraid to speak out on behalf of their children.”

The trouble is all these young people who've been gaslit by both trans extremist groups and by too many trusted adults may well take years before they realise that their mutilated, poorly functioning bodies need not have happened. As women know, we often don't consider pregnancy until we're older. Elaine Miller has spoken powerfully about the levels of pelvic floor dysfunction in trans men following the crude experimental surgery performed on them - levels normally seen in women with post birth injuries.

At some stage in the future, many of them will realise that these levels of sexual dysfunction and incontinence were avoidable.

I suspect that this will be a major enquiry some time in the future - mainly because this was avoidable and driven by political activists and dangerous, greedy medics. But it will be many years down the line and for so many of the young - too late.

"Supreme Court is relevant because of the Equality Act and how scathing the SC was about homophobia being a driving force for transactivism"

That's interesting, given that the case wasn't about that and there's no mention in the ruling..like, at all (why would there be?)

I think one of the problems is that anti-trans activists have been making very lofty claims for well over 1/2 decade now.and none of it has come to pass. I remember the claim that there would be 'millions' of (medical) detransitioners by now, but instead we have Ritchie / Kiera / Chloe being shuttled around and thankfully surprisingly low numbers reported from detrans spaces. Unless your name is Helen Joyce, this should be good news for everyone

I would say, it won't be anywhere near '1000 families' - hell nowhere near to that have been given PBs for GD and there's an awful lot of people on SM who were on PBs, who are rightfully miffed that 'the compromise' has been taken away by Streeting.

Just to clear something up, as I suspect many of you don't get it, but most trans people are also LGB whichever way you look at it. Like, the way that you peeps talk about it is kinda strange, particularly when you were doing that 'drop the T' nonsense, though thankfully you seem to have given up with that.

Anyway, I have to die in the heat a bit more.

blimey the OP is absolutely obsessed with medicating children who don't conform to sexist stereotypes. it's pretty fucking weird if you ask me

OP isn't interested in any responses. They just want to Gotcha MN. Its about trying to silence women.

WPATH themselves state the detrans rate is 30%.

EVERYTHING we have said, has come to pass, as much as you anti women activists wish it hadn't. It is why you're losing the war.

I assume there is nothing currently in the news for bee to have a whinge about?

You know what bee I honestly hope they haven't got anyone who wants to sue as that would mean no one was unintentionally harmed, and I honestly want no child to spend years taking puberty blockers to then realise it's not what they want.

Hopefully every child who went through the Tavistock is healthy, happy and living their best life.

But having personally once spent 10 years fighting a legal case 3 years is nothing, so we'll just have to wait and see.

What I heard is that the main reason would be because fewer than 1000 young people received any hormonal interventions - the total number is apparently around 667, and they're presumably not all suing. You can't be sued by more people than you've ever treated.

The thousand figure came from... the legal firm that wants to take this action forward.

https://www.1of200.nz/articles/media-amp-the-thousand-families-myth

I acknowledge that this is just one small blog with its own biases and not a major media source, I will own that because I am prepared to put things in context. So I'm not going to say this is cast iron proof but it makes a lot of sense as clearly the Tavistock wasn't just giving every patient hormones at the drop of a hat, they never saw everyone on their waiting list, and not every single one of them is going to be unhappy about their treatment. And of course a legal firm would want to encourage people by claiming they'd be part of a big crowd of litigants.

I remember the claim that there would be 'millions' of (medical) detransitioners by now

That sounds like an unlikely claim as there aren’t ‘millions’ of medical transitioners? Are you sure you’re remembering correctly?

thankfully surprisingly low numbers reported from detrans spaces

So what are the numbers are being reported and who by? Have trans activists lifted the embargo on all ‘trans/detrans’ related research now? Last I heard they were jumping on every research study and getting it cancelled.

I would say, it won't be anywhere near '1000 families' - hell nowhere near to that have been given PBs for GD and there's an awful lot of people on SM who were on PBs

This lawsuit doesn’t include the numbers harmed by private clinics like Gendergp. They claimed thousands of patients and suing them will probably be a lot harder due to their extremely complex offshore legal structure necessary to avoid UK regulations.

when you were doing that 'drop the T' nonsense - the T and the Q+ have already been dropped. Did you miss that good news? It’s taking a while to filter out to the slower organisations but that particular force teaming has been recognised and cancelled.

By the way LGB is sexual orientation, T is ‘identity’. Not the same.

most trans people are also LGB whichever way you look at it.

So are you agreeing with us that for a large proportion of young people who identify as trans, the aim of transition is to 'trans away the gay'?

Or are you suggesting that a middle-aged heterosexual man who decides he wants to be a woman after he has fathered children is actually a lesbian?

I believe there is one study, relating to whether military personnel refilled their prescriptions, which gave an assumed detransition rate as 30%. From what I've read this is an outlier and most studies reflect a much lower rate.

But even then, 30℅ of the >900 patients referred to endocrinology by the tavistock isn't going to equal the 1000 which was initially touted to the press.