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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Tavistock gender clinic ‘to be sued by 1,000 families"

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BeeSouriante · 14/07/2025 11:59

www.thetimes.com/uk/healthcare/article/tavistock-gender-clinic-to-be-sued-by-1-000-families-lbsw6k8zd

https://archive.is/biQ9U

This was nearly 3 years ago, but it's been crickets since..does anyone have any news on this?

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WarriorN · 15/07/2025 07:14

Stats would be helpful. Ritchie Heron shared a ward with one other man who had surgery on the same day.

that man has also detransitioned.

thats 100% detransitioned who had surgery that day, several years ago.

he’s apparently just got on with his life as best he can.

outofdate · 15/07/2025 07:17

The only winners in all this will be the legal profession.

RoyalCorgi · 15/07/2025 08:34

Obviously the OP is just on a wind-up, but this is an important topic that deserves to be discussed.

Medical litigation is really hard, for two reasons. One is the three-year time limit, which means that a lot of people who experience negligence never take legal action because in those three years they're still coming to terms with what's happened. For de-transitioners, who might not regret their decision till four or five years afterwards, it's completely hopeless.

The other is that the bar for proving negligence is very high. You have to prove that the doctor caused you harm through negligence, by doing something that a reasonable doctor wouldn't have done. (That isn't the exact wording, but you get the idea.) But the problem with the trans medicine stuff is that it's not like, say, a botched operation where you amputate the wrong leg.

Suppose the doctor has performed a double mastectomy on a healthy 19 year old woman who is gender dysphoric. The mastectomy might have been performed expertly with no more than the expected side effects. The problem here is not the incompetence of the individual doctor but the question of why the hell the NHS is performing double mastectomies on physically healthy but mentally unwell young women in the first place. And that's not a question you can resolve through litigation - you really need something else like judicial review.

So I think it could be a while before we see a successful medical negligence case in gender medicine. I hope I'm wrong.

BundleBoogie · 15/07/2025 12:56

WarriorN · 15/07/2025 07:14

Stats would be helpful. Ritchie Heron shared a ward with one other man who had surgery on the same day.

that man has also detransitioned.

thats 100% detransitioned who had surgery that day, several years ago.

he’s apparently just got on with his life as best he can.

This is heartbreaking. Two men who have had their penises removed, sexual function destroyed and as I understand, Ritchie has a constant dribble of urine coming from his operation site.

How many vulnerable people will have been unnecessarily harmed for this? How much therapy will they need before they could even comprehend going through the gruelling process of legal action?

@BeeSouriante do you have any sympathy for these men? Any at all?

BundleBoogie · 15/07/2025 13:15

RoyalCorgi · 15/07/2025 08:34

Obviously the OP is just on a wind-up, but this is an important topic that deserves to be discussed.

Medical litigation is really hard, for two reasons. One is the three-year time limit, which means that a lot of people who experience negligence never take legal action because in those three years they're still coming to terms with what's happened. For de-transitioners, who might not regret their decision till four or five years afterwards, it's completely hopeless.

The other is that the bar for proving negligence is very high. You have to prove that the doctor caused you harm through negligence, by doing something that a reasonable doctor wouldn't have done. (That isn't the exact wording, but you get the idea.) But the problem with the trans medicine stuff is that it's not like, say, a botched operation where you amputate the wrong leg.

Suppose the doctor has performed a double mastectomy on a healthy 19 year old woman who is gender dysphoric. The mastectomy might have been performed expertly with no more than the expected side effects. The problem here is not the incompetence of the individual doctor but the question of why the hell the NHS is performing double mastectomies on physically healthy but mentally unwell young women in the first place. And that's not a question you can resolve through litigation - you really need something else like judicial review.

So I think it could be a while before we see a successful medical negligence case in gender medicine. I hope I'm wrong.

Maybe it would hinge on negligence in the ‘diagnosis’ process?

No doctor will be able to show that they went through a robust clinical diagnostic process.

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