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Brava, Gisele Pelicot.

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ArabellaScott · 13/07/2025 17:13

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/13/rape-survivor-gisele-pelicot-legion-honour-france/

'Gisèle Pelicot will receive the Légion d’honneur, France’s highest civic order, for her bravery in the fight against sexual violence.
Ms Pelicot, 72, became a figurehead for the global feminist struggle after waiving her anonymity in the trial of Dominique Pelicot, her former husband, and 50 other defendants who were accused of drugging and raping her repeatedly over the course of a decade.
At the time, Ms Pelicot’s lawyer told the court that she had waived her anonymity so that her perpetrators be known publicly, insisting that “shame must change sides” in sexual violence cases, and her image became famous worldwide.'

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MarieDeGournay · 14/07/2025 10:31

Valeriekat · 14/07/2025 09:59

We are in Paris watching the Bastille Day celebrations and she is in a place of honour observing the march past . Brava indeed!

That's wonderful!
Please, Valeriekat, in some intangible, symbolic way, represent us all there in person today in our admiration of GPSmile

Lalgarh · 06/10/2025 13:04

She's having to go to court again today because one of her rapists (telegraph has put that term in quotation marks), Husamettin Dogan, is claiming he was actually duped by her husband and continuing his appeal.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx2d9lynk1o

Nothankyov · 06/10/2025 13:07

I can’t even imagine.

MrsTerryPratchett · 06/10/2025 20:28

Lalgarh · 06/10/2025 13:04

She's having to go to court again today because one of her rapists (telegraph has put that term in quotation marks), Husamettin Dogan, is claiming he was actually duped by her husband and continuing his appeal.

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdx2d9lynk1o

Fingers crossed they increase his sentence as a result.

Scummy scum.

Gisele is an utter hero.

Jsowny · 06/10/2025 20:31

This is great to hear

letsallchant · 06/10/2025 20:36

Saluting you Gisele. Thank you for your courage on behalf of women everywhere.

IwantToRetire · 06/10/2025 20:41

"Everyone would have understood if she hadn't come because, well, she is trying to resume a normal life. But she feels she needs to be there and has a responsibility to be there until the end of the proceedings."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg4l80gz7eo

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Gisèle Pelicot, a woman with chestnut hair in a bob, pictured in the dappled light of a garden or park, in close-up, looking up and to the left, with the background blurred behind her

Gisèle Pelicot returns to court after trial made her an icon - and tore her family apart

A rift has emerged between the victim at the centre of the largest rape trial in French history and her eldest children.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg4l80gz7eo

lcakethereforeIam · 25/03/2026 11:34

I've just read this

Into the light | Julia Molony | The Critic Magazine https://share.google/feWZ92O2zjJY13qmc

Wasn't sure which thread to put it on but this one seemed appropriate. She deserves to be celebrated.

This excerpt from the article struck me

By the end of her book we almost feel sorry for her abusers, condemned to an existence of spiritual bankruptcy and relational poverty. It is they, ultimately, who are dehumanised and diminished by sexual violence.

These men, and those like them, by their actions don't see their victims (mostly women) as anything except as something to be used for their pleasure. If our agency is recognised at all, it's only because denying it increases their thrill. 'Dehumanised and diminished', it's not just shame that has changed sides.

deeahgwitch · 25/05/2026 09:00

There has been another horrendous case of abuse of a partner in France.
French bank manager Guillaume Bucci subjected his partner to torture, sadistic abuse and pimping her out to hundreds of men during their seven year relationship.
She, inspired by Gisele Pelicot argued (and won) against a closed door trial.
He got 25 years.

IwantToRetire · 25/05/2026 19:32

deeahgwitch · 25/05/2026 09:00

There has been another horrendous case of abuse of a partner in France.
French bank manager Guillaume Bucci subjected his partner to torture, sadistic abuse and pimping her out to hundreds of men during their seven year relationship.
She, inspired by Gisele Pelicot argued (and won) against a closed door trial.
He got 25 years.

Yes there's an existing thread about it.

deeahgwitch · 25/05/2026 19:40

Could you do a link please @IwantToRetire ?

LoremIpsumCici · 25/05/2026 19:48

I hope it does change things for the better, but France has a long way to go.
If she had been conscious in any of the videos, her rapists would not have been convicted because French law doesn’t require explicit consent.

It hasn’t changed attitudes towards women in my opinion.

IwantToRetire · 25/05/2026 19:51

LoremIpsumCici · 25/05/2026 19:48

I hope it does change things for the better, but France has a long way to go.
If she had been conscious in any of the videos, her rapists would not have been convicted because French law doesn’t require explicit consent.

It hasn’t changed attitudes towards women in my opinion.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/10/30/france-redefines-rape-in-landmark-law

An individual holding a sign saying “Not saying anything does not equal consent” in front of the Palais de Justice during a rally in support of all victims of gender and sexual violence in Lyon, France, October 19, 2024.

France Redefines Rape in Landmark Law

France's Parliament has adopted a landmark law -that defines rape as any non-consensual sexual act, a significant milestone in the fight against sexual violence in the country.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/10/30/france-redefines-rape-in-landmark-law

deeahgwitch · 25/05/2026 19:54

Thank you @IwantToRetire💐

LoremIpsumCici · 25/05/2026 19:59

They changed it after and because of the Pelicot case.
As with any law it’s not retroactive, so all the other victims who were raped but were semi-conscious or conscious and froze did not and will never get justice.

A law change also doesn’t necessarily change men’s attitudes towards women. It will have to be enforced to signal that attitudes are actually changed.

LoremIpsumCici · 25/05/2026 20:11

In addition, France has only just realised that men having sex with children is rape. The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) ruled in April last year that France failed to offer effective protection to three minors when they filed rape complaints

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/04/european-rights-court-finds-france-failed-to-protect-child-victims-of-sexual-assault/

“The ECtHR highlighted serious shortcomings in how the investigating authorities and domestic courts handled the minors’ cases. The court found that the previous courts failed to assess the full context of the events properly and did not adequately consider the applicants’ vulnerability as minors, particularly concerning their capacity to understand and give consent. The court concluded that France violated the applicants’ right to be protected from inhuman or degrading treatment and the right to respect for private and family life under Articles 3 and 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR).
The ruling also said the French authorities’ guilt-inducing and moralizing remarks, which conveyed sexist stereotypes, subjected one applicant to secondary victimization. The court called out this treatment as gender-based discrimination and found it detrimental to the applicant’s dignity, violating Article 14 of the ECHR.
The applicants, named as Ms. L., Ms. H.B. and Ms. M.L., brought the case to the ECHR in 2021 and 2022. They were aged 13, 14 and 16, at the time they filed rape complaints. In Ms. L.’s case, the investigating judge dismissed her request to continue the investigation of the offense of rape using psychological coercion resulting from a significant age difference between 14-year-old Ms. L. and two 21-year-old men who were firefighters who lived near her home. The French domestic court viewed that a 14-year-old has the necessary understanding to be capable of consenting to sexual acts and that it is up to the trial courts’ sole discretion to assess the consent based on the facts and evidence gathered during the investigation.
In Ms. H.B.’s case, the domestic court dropped the charges against the accused 21-year-old man and a 29-year-old man, and the appellate court dismissed the request for further investigations and acquitted the defendants. In Ms. M.L.’s case, the judge decided to stop the legal process because the evidence did not meet the necessary standards for violence, coercion, threat, or taking advantage according to Articles 222 and 223 of the Criminal Code. The judge also found there was no proof that the accused intended to force Ms. M.L.
Rights advocates have emphasized that the case highlights the urgent need to address the absence of the concept of “consent” in the legal definition of rape under French law, an issue previously brought to public attention during the Dominique Pelicot trial last year. In December, Pelicot and 50 other men were convicted in a highly publicized rape trial after Pelicot admitted to drugging and raping his now ex-wife, Gisele Pelicot, and inviting strangers to rape her while she was unconscious.
Under Articles 222 and 223 of the Criminal Code, “rape” is defined as “any act of sexual penetration, of any nature whatsoever, committed on another person or on the perpetrator by violence, coercion, threat, or surprise.” Rights organizations have urged the country to amend the definition to criminalize rape based on the lack of consent, and a November 2024 poll found that 9 out of 10 French people supported such a change in the law.”

European rights court finds France failed to protect child victims of sexual assault

The European Court of Human Rights (ECtHR) ruled on Thursday that France failed to offer effective protection to three minors when they filed rape complaints. The ECtHR highlighted serious shortcoming...

https://www.jurist.org/news/2025/04/european-rights-court-finds-france-failed-to-protect-child-victims-of-sexual-assault/

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