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Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people? - The Guardian 2/7/25

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 16:13

Article in The Guardian tweeted by Biology in Medicine on TwiX (https://x.com/biologyinmed/status/1943616841152114706)

https://archive.ph/lfWGI

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

'The Cass effect
Fourteen months later and the exponential rise in referrals for NHS care has halted, with figures showing a sharp reduction from up to 280 referrals a month at the Tavistock to between 20 and 30 a month this year, a 10th of the earlier rate.

James Palmer, the medical director for specialised services at NHS England, who is responsible for implementing the recommendations of Cass, suggests a number of factors are behind the decrease. Young people can now only be referred for the youth gender service through mental health or paediatric specialists, rather than by a GP.

Palmer also believes the reduction is partly because of the “change in philosophy” brought in by Cass about hormone treatments. Her review concluded there was “remarkably weak evidence” that puberty blockers(prescribed to give young people experiencing distress and dysphoria about their bodies time to consider their next move) and cross-sex hormones (which masculinise or feminise people’s appearances) improve young people’s wellbeing and there was concern they may harm health.'

Cass review: how has report affected care for transgender young people?

Review led to profound changes, some of which made young people feel unsupported, yet new clinics are opening

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/02/cass-review-how-has-report-affected-care-for-transgender-young-people

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TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:42

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:38

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I have never heard anyone describe the the Cass Review as self-published?! It was commissioned by a government minister and carried out with a team of researchers from a university. I mean….self-published????? 🙄

These posts are reaching levels of stupidity I never thought possible.

There is nothing the TRAs won't say to to cast shade. Nothing. No matter how obviously ignorant and idiotic.

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:43

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:38

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I have never heard anyone describe the the Cass Review as self-published?! It was commissioned by a government minister and carried out with a team of researchers from a university. I mean….self-published????? 🙄

That's all it is in a scientific term. You either were peer reviewed and published, or it's something you did at home and did not follow the scientific process.

Ironically the issue of the public giving "institutional reviews" same credence as actually peer reviewed science is a long going issue, because those reviews tend to be nothing more than hit jobs, and people confuse them with actual progress of scientific work.

There is a reason why people rely and trust the key phrase: peer reviewed (as long as done in a reputable journal that follows open standards or comparable protocol).

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:44

RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:39

The appeal of musical masculinism within contemporary online far-right spaces
Bifurcated experiences of single people in urban China

I make that 44 syllables in 19 words. Judith Butler would be proud

To be fair that's actually two separate papers. Sorry for not formatting more clearly.😀

Theeyeballsinthesky · 11/07/2025 17:45

AidaP · 11/07/2025 17:43

That's all it is in a scientific term. You either were peer reviewed and published, or it's something you did at home and did not follow the scientific process.

Ironically the issue of the public giving "institutional reviews" same credence as actually peer reviewed science is a long going issue, because those reviews tend to be nothing more than hit jobs, and people confuse them with actual progress of scientific work.

There is a reason why people rely and trust the key phrase: peer reviewed (as long as done in a reputable journal that follows open standards or comparable protocol).

Please you need to stop 😂😂😂😂😂 she had a university team working with her you absolute dolt

seriously learn when to stop fecking digging

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:46

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:44

To be fair that's actually two separate papers. Sorry for not formatting more clearly.😀

Oh, that makes 'more' sense cos I’ve been stretching my brain trying to work out the possible connection between far right music and single Chinese people. 😬

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RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:46

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 17:44

To be fair that's actually two separate papers. Sorry for not formatting more clearly.😀

Haha it doesn't make more or less sense either way! I assumed those online spaces had done the bifurcating which is as plausible as anything else

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:47

Quite keen to know wtf 'musical masculinism' is all about.

Abra1t · 11/07/2025 17:49

Well, following on from The Salt Path busting we have now had the Cass Report debunked as something Hilary wrote at home and put out on kindle Direct Publishing.

What a week.

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:52

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:47

Quite keen to know wtf 'musical masculinism' is all about.

I imagined it was like gangsta rap, very OTT masculine stereotypes. And lots of posing as hard lads and bovver boys type of thing.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 11/07/2025 17:53

Abra1t · 11/07/2025 17:49

Well, following on from The Salt Path busting we have now had the Cass Report debunked as something Hilary wrote at home and put out on kindle Direct Publishing.

What a week.

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RobinHeartella · 11/07/2025 17:54

TheKeatingFive · 11/07/2025 17:47

Quite keen to know wtf 'musical masculinism' is all about.

I thought it was about chinese nationalist propaganda music but that sounds a) too sensible and b) I've mixed up the two papers

CassOle · 11/07/2025 17:55

It's nice to see that the undercover bloke is working hard to peak the masses.

RNApolymerase · 11/07/2025 17:56

Back to the original question - I think the debate around this gives more evidence for parents to look at who may not be convinced that full steam ahead medical transition is the best option for their children.

helof · 11/07/2025 18:04

one of the quickest ways for me to determine an absolute nutter is when they slate the Cass review. Anyone who has read it, can see the painstakingly detailed and sensitive way it attempts to unpick the years of un researched truth about genderism. Anyone who dismisses it without reason or by calling it unscientific is an idiot and not worthy of an intelligent discussion.

Bannedontherun · 11/07/2025 18:13

I am getting very very bored with the nonsense posts by Ada, and the like, and quite frankly cannot even be arsed to respond with a laughing emoji.

Let them live in their internet fantasy land whilst we all get on with pushing for protecting children from adults who seek to validate their own political and twisted views of themselves via children and young people.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 11/07/2025 18:31

helof · 11/07/2025 18:04

one of the quickest ways for me to determine an absolute nutter is when they slate the Cass review. Anyone who has read it, can see the painstakingly detailed and sensitive way it attempts to unpick the years of un researched truth about genderism. Anyone who dismisses it without reason or by calling it unscientific is an idiot and not worthy of an intelligent discussion.

They also most likely won't have read the Cass Review or if they have won't have the knowledge or experience to be able to understand or evaluate the contents.

sanluca · 11/07/2025 18:34

I admit the paper written by Olsen-Kennedy has not been peer reviewed, but no, not the New York Times

Conclusion: Participants initiating medical interventions for gender dysphoria with GnRHas have self- and parent-reported psychological and emotional health comparable with the population of adolescents at large, which remains relatively stable over 24 months. Given that the mental health of youth with gender dysphoria who are older is often poor, it is likely that puberty blockers prevent the deterioration of mental health.

^pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40463525/^

This runs counter to the argument that kids who are gender confused need blockers as life saving treatment. They aren't depressed to start with! It is like prescribing prozac because someone might become depressed later in life.

JanesLittleGirl · 11/07/2025 18:45

sanluca · 11/07/2025 18:34

I admit the paper written by Olsen-Kennedy has not been peer reviewed, but no, not the New York Times

Conclusion: Participants initiating medical interventions for gender dysphoria with GnRHas have self- and parent-reported psychological and emotional health comparable with the population of adolescents at large, which remains relatively stable over 24 months. Given that the mental health of youth with gender dysphoria who are older is often poor, it is likely that puberty blockers prevent the deterioration of mental health.

^pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/40463525/^

This runs counter to the argument that kids who are gender confused need blockers as life saving treatment. They aren't depressed to start with! It is like prescribing prozac because someone might become depressed later in life.

It's more like prescribing a full frontal lobotomy in case they have a mental episode in the future.

DialSquare · 11/07/2025 19:14

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:30

Moved to private care, that and more.

Pretty much exactly what everyone said would happen if NHS will stop saving kids life, they will go elsewhere for the help needed. But who cares about reality, where you can believe that you can policy trans away.

But who cares about reality

I know self awareness isn’t your strong point but this is really taking the piss!

Bannedontherun · 11/07/2025 19:41

Heat has got to my head resisting the urge to issue an abusive diatribe to a self centred shit whose mission in life is to self affirm at a cost to children and their families.

GrandmaMazur · 11/07/2025 19:52

I’m looking forward to the new version of Mumsnet where we can filter out certain posters

MrsOvertonsWindow · 11/07/2025 19:55

Hopefully this means this mentally unwell cohort of children and young people are starting to receive appropriate therapy / mental health support with trans issues no longer over shadowing their treatment. Of course that's a good thing - unless you're a self interested gender loon concerned only about transitioning other people's children.

Annoyedone · 11/07/2025 19:56

AidaP · 11/07/2025 16:37

Oh yes, you are a gender and sex care expert with doctorate in development biology, just like everyone on mumsnet. Read an actual peer reviewed study, not self-published leaflet like cass review.

Did you just call the class review a “self published leaflet”. 😂😂😂😂😂😂. You really are an oddball aren’t you.

NecessaryScene · 11/07/2025 20:15

I guess there is a sort of "self publishing" happening, but it doesn't quite have the same connotations when the "self" in question is the NHS, or the UK Supreme Court. 😂

Shedmistress · 11/07/2025 20:56

Did he really cite Natasha Kennedy the bloke who co-authored a paper with...himself?

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