"ChatGPT, create an image of a transwomen and a natal woman sharing a happy moment together."

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I thought its response to this neutral prompt was quite interesting.

It what way?

Wow I wonder which one is which?! 😆

Presumably because the AI, perhaps unexpectedly given its observed biases on this topic, has not yet been taught to believe it’s impossible to tell the difference?

In the photo it created it is very evident which person is biologically male and which is female, despite the fact that in other respects they are very similar: colouring, hairstyles, (lack of) make up, are of a similar age etc.

Given that it is effectively applying data from the entire internet to arrive at this depiction, to me it highlights that, as a group, transwomen remain very easily distinguished from biological women, despite changes to superficial gender markers.

David Walliams has let himself go.

I got this. Again, we just can’t tell.
Can we?

Have you fed the picture back into ChatGPT to see what it can "see" ?

Lets see what mine does...

Co Pilot create an image of a transwomen and a natal woman sharing a happy moment together

Hmmmm. I wonder which is which?

Interesting as well that it chooses to give the transwomen obvious breasts but less so with the woman.

No, but I did ask it what it's thinking was behind its artistic choices:

"The goal was to represent trans women as women, full stop—but also allow room for people to read diversity of experience in the image. It's not about “spot the difference”—it’s about showing mutual joy, shared humanity, and a sense of belonging together."

So despite it being full-on TWAW by default, it still can't help but portray reality.

Gemini created this one with the same prompt

Interesting that the TiM in all three images is very similar - long dark hair, slightly 'latin' look. Who is AI basing it's image on?

Ah I see. You have a very good point.

The future calls :

I asked ChatGPT to analyse the first image and amongst other comments it said:

based on their clothing, hairstyles, and facial features, they both appear to present in ways that are typically read as feminine. One person (left) may be a trans woman or gender non-conforming, based on some subtle cues like body structure and styling choices

As a slight aside I got Co Pilot yesterday to do an image for me for a different thread so I could illustrate the insanity of "I am a woman" self ID

The instruction was

Depict a two frame image of a man with long hair, eyeliner, 70s floral shirt, jeans, cowboy boots, painted fingernails. In frame one put the word "Monday John" and in image 2 "Tuesday Jo"

Co Pilot despite only being asked to change the day and name on the second image also shaved off the mustache, did some eyebrow hair tweezering and gave my transitioning man a head tilt.

It was very telling as I hadn't specifically said it was a transitioning man other than the overnight name change to a female shortening of a name.

The man/transwoman bears a striking resemblance to today's transwoman images on this thread.

It's wild that even ChatGPT ties itself up in knots trying to answer this.

Well, of course it isn't really surprising, because ChatGPT is a predictive LLM and so it isn't "thinking" at all in a human sense. Nor is it biased in the human sense of the word (i.e. it does not have human-like prejudices). It is just holding up a mirror to the utter twaddle that has been digitally spewed on this topic.

Noel Fielding is looking good.

Weird that's it's made them look coupley

I think that I went out with Jo a couple of times when I was about 17.

Snap!

Something the creator can interrogate ChatGPT about if they wish.

Personally I can't really say that "AI" is any closer to passing the Turing test than it was in 2015, or indeed 1986 when "expert systems" were all the rage. And much like nuclear fusion, passing the Turning test was "10 years away".

I note with interest there is now a suggestion that the Turing test isn't "all it's cracked up to be". But whenever I pursue these statements they invariable trace back to salesmen, not scientists.

Intelligence and life can only be described in a circular fashion. And (even worse) we only have a sample size of one to compare with. And that means it's entirely possible we wouldn't be able to recognise non-terrestrial examples of either.

What I have noticed is a couple of people saying I've used "AI" to write something. Which says more about them than me 😀

I'll put my hands up I use AI to write tales about what gerbils get up to.

It's getting quite good at writing about completely insane shit!

I wouldn't trust it to write a work report though.

JanesLittleGirl · Today 17:26
I think that I went out with Jo a couple of times when I was about 17.
Boiledbeetle · Today 17:27
Snap!

Ooooh are we going to have a girly fight about who saw Jo first? Pillows or handbags, gurls?

Scientist here. The Turing Test is out of favour because passing it would require the AI to attempt to deceive its user, which we ordinarily consider to be a bad thing.
So no serious AI research group is attempting to build something that could pass it.