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Enjoy this comments column re Stephen Fry

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1stWorldProblems · 22/06/2025 12:46

This Telegraph column by Michael Deacon is rather good on JKR's radicalisation. Enjoy!

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BeeAFreeBird · 22/06/2025 13:13

I mean, he rather undermines his point by using the term TERF, which rather implies that it is he who has been radicalised. I like Stephen Fry. He's well intentioned - and human. This isn't his sharpest call.

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 22/06/2025 13:21

Some good, entertaining comments on the similar /same article in the Times

Igmum · 22/06/2025 13:22

Brilliant column thanks @1stWorldProblems. JKR is simply stating what, 20 years ago, would have been the bleedin’ obvious. Go back in time and tell your earlier self that the Cabinet don’t know what a woman is and the Foreign Secretary thinks you can grow a cervix, or that male rapists are housed in women’s prisons and you simply won’t be believed because it’s insane.

CassOle · 22/06/2025 13:23

"Whatever the source of her indoctrination, I dread to think what crazed ideological nonsense this dangerous woman will pollute our children’s minds with next. The Earth is round? Water is wet? Members of the family Ursidae typically defecate in arboreal environs?"

Next she'll be telling us that the Pope is Catholic.

1stWorldProblems · 22/06/2025 13:35

@CassOle yes, I felt he'd missed a trick completing the bears quote. The pope always comes after.

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FrodoTheBlueWhippet · 22/06/2025 13:41

That article is hilarious. I used to like Stephen Fry, now I feel quite embarrassed for him.

caramac04 · 22/06/2025 13:53

Thank you OP. I really enjoyed reading that.

Oldfashioneddinosaur · 22/06/2025 13:55

I can't see it, has it been removed?

DeanElderberry · 22/06/2025 14:10

BeeAFreeBird · 22/06/2025 13:13

I mean, he rather undermines his point by using the term TERF, which rather implies that it is he who has been radicalised. I like Stephen Fry. He's well intentioned - and human. This isn't his sharpest call.

Which 'he'? There are hundreds of comments - none of which so far use the term 'terf' The only person to do that is Fry.

The comment that Fry is a 'creepy old man who promotes pederasty' seemed pretty accurate.

Why do you think he is 'well-intentioned'? Towards whom? Not women, not the young.

CassOle · 22/06/2025 14:11

This is the first section of the opinion piece which is about Rowling/Fry. There is a second section about a rapist, and a third section about Pride month.

Michael Deacon
Columnist
21 June 2025 6:00am BST

"Sir Stephen Fry, the renowned psychoanalyst, says he believes that JK Rowling “has been radicalised”. I must say that I for one was somewhat taken aback by this diagnosis. Because, if Ms Rowling has indeed been “radicalised”, that means she harbours beliefs that are “radical”.

In which case, would Sir Stephen be so kind as to tell us which of her beliefs he has in mind?

Take, for example, Ms Rowling’s belief that women don’t have testicles. Or her belief that men can’t give birth. Is either of those beliefs radical? Extreme? Wildly at variance with established medical science?

Perhaps he’s thinking of her belief that biological males should not be entitled to enter the female changing room at their local swimming pool and strip naked in front of small girls. Or her belief that confused children should not be pumped with drugs designed to prevent them from going through a normal, healthy puberty. Or her belief that we should not grant a convicted rapist his wish to be placed in a jail full of women merely because he’s suddenly taken to sporting a blonde wig and pink leggings.

Does Sir Stephen consider those beliefs to be radical? I do hope he’ll let us know. It’s urgent. Otherwise, there’s a serious risk that innocent members of the public will become radicalised, too.

In the meantime, I’m anxious to ascertain how exactly Ms Rowling came to fall for the outlandish notion that women are female and men are male. Who radicalised her? Sir Stephen reckons it was “Terfs” (i.e., trans-exclusionary radical feminists). But I wonder if she was brainwashed at an early age – by, say, an O-level biology teacher. Or perhaps some appallingly irresponsible school librarian gave her access to a dictionary.

Whatever the source of her indoctrination, I dread to think what crazed ideological nonsense this dangerous woman will pollute our children’s minds with next. The Earth is round? Water is wet? Members of the family Ursidae typically defecate in arboreal environs?

Then again, I suppose there is an alternative way to look at this story. Which is that the beliefs Ms Rowling espouses have been completely mainstream since the dawn of humanity – and that it is, in fact, her opponents who have been “radicalised”. Just a thought."

CassOle · 22/06/2025 14:13

I can't read the comments in gift articles by the Telegraph or the Times these days, so I can't quote any of those.

Gotback · 22/06/2025 14:17

Thank you. Very good article. Stephen Fry has become (or always was) an embarrassing wanker.

Dwimmer · 22/06/2025 14:25

I have never understood why anyone should listen to Mr Fry in particular. Or, for that matter, any actors. I always remember my profound disappointment listening to an interview with Colin Firth at the end of the Pride and Prejudice series.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 22/06/2025 14:30

BeeAFreeBird · 22/06/2025 13:13

I mean, he rather undermines his point by using the term TERF, which rather implies that it is he who has been radicalised. I like Stephen Fry. He's well intentioned - and human. This isn't his sharpest call.

He’s hardly being ‘well intentioned’ towards those of us who understand and acknowledge the material reality of women and girls is he?

JazzyJelly · 22/06/2025 14:32

Thank you for posting. Comments all in support from what I've seen.

DeanElderberry · 22/06/2025 14:32

Fry is a sinister figure and I'm surprised he's drawing attention to himself in this way. Some people are wiser keeping out of the direct light.

myplace · 22/06/2025 14:38

When the books were published in 1997-2007, she felt no need for trans characters across the school. You’d have needed to include them in any school based series since then, I would think. With the odd therean (?), too.

DeanElderberry · 22/06/2025 14:56

When Fry wrote about schools, his own and others' he didn't include trans characters because they didn't exist then.

He did include a lot about children being sexualised, assaulted, and raped, which he did not criticise.

I'm glad JKR didn't make that a feature of Hogwarts.

myplace · 22/06/2025 15:02

That’s…. grim reading. And if it’s still there presumably Fry isn’t fighting back?

MarieDeGournay · 22/06/2025 15:09

' I wonder if she was brainwashed at an early age – by, say, an O-level biology teacher'
😂

Shufflebumnessie · 22/06/2025 15:19

I've had the misfortune of meeting Mr Fry, and since that experience I absolutely can't stand him. His behaviour was appalling & he was so rude to everyone there.
There's always been something about him that's made my skin crawl and that feeling was cemented having met him!
I honestly couldn't give a shit what his egotistical opinion is. I'm firmly in support of JK Rowling!

Anzena · 22/06/2025 15:40

Instinctively he comes across as very creepy to me anyway. But live and let live as they say. I have little time for so called public school educated dandies though.

mustytrusty · 22/06/2025 15:56

Sadly Stephen Fry has become a tiresome rent-a-gob.

MrsKypp · 22/06/2025 16:33

Great article! Thanks for posting the link @1stWorldProblems

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