Allison Bailey sues TRA vets

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Looks like Allison was kicked out of her vets due to her gender critical beliefs, she's suing them with financial support from JKR using the EHRC's Akua Reindor KC.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14828079/JK-Rowling-friend-banned-vet-gender-beliefs-dog-fat.html

I agree. Allison's win against her Employer, who was being guided by Stonewall, must have been a factor in the speed and amount of organisations cutting ties with Stonewall. Her appeal looks to have a very good chance now in view of the SC ruling. Will be cheering for her.

Doesn't matter how you spin it- Stonewall won outright twice against AB. Her small win the first attempt was against her employer and independent of Stonewall.

@Annoyedone frankly I find it ironic for anyone from the GC community to accuse anyone of "stalkerish". GCs have the site kiwifarms which is dominantly for stalking LGBT people and a quick check of Jo's Twitter shows of literally just 1 hour ago she has tweeted yet again about India Willoughby. Jeez Louise.

Allison had a tribunal case with 3 respondents, stonewall, GCC and individual members of GCC. There was no case against her employer GCC independent of her case against stonewall . She was awarded aggravated damages which is unusual in a tribunal case.

If the appeal court agrees that Stonewall had a relationship with GCC in accordance with s111 of EA she will win against stonewall at appeal.

Kiwifarms is extremist. It is not part of the dialogue most GC people are having. It allowed for the targetting of all sorts of people - it wasnt just an anti trans site. It got that reputation because trans people rallied against it but it was a mean site that attacked lots of non trans people too.

I don’t regard Stonewall as having won because the legal process has not finished.

What is that saying which has words to the effect of ‘you might have won the battle but you haven’t won the war’?

So true. I once got into problems at work with younger staff saying that they didn’t enjoy my directness. As far as I know they didn’t call out my (male) colleague who raised his voice at them from time to time!? Simply complaining as a woman is somehow breaking the rules…

Are you accusing me of being a member of kiwi farms? That site that is banned access from most internet providers because of the content?. Please provide proof that I am a member or an apology. I mean, there are many threads on Reddit, which is very very pro trans calling for the rape, murder and assault of women but I have not accused you of being a member or of endorsing any of the views on that cesspit have I?

As far as I know, anyone is allowed to tweet anything they like within the guidelines on X. If you don’t like what JKR tweets, why not just block her? That way you won’t be upset when she tweets things? It’s what I do. If India is so upset at being called out on India’s batshittery then India can also then block and not engage. I mean, is India the biological male who claims to have a cervix or the biological male who threatens to Punch a TERF”? I do get my misogynistic men mixed up sometimes.

1. I think the most anyone can say is that so far Stonewall escaped scrutiny in the first hearing but thats what has permitted the appeal.
2. Most people in the UK have sex realist views but the vast majority won’t know anything about kiwi farms. I think I only know of it from your posts
3. Replying to someone who mentions you isn’t what most people define as stalking

JKR has been clear that she will only be funding cases that have a good chance of winning and are strategically important.

Allison Bailey won her discrimination case against her employer and Akua Reindorf is very reputable.

So although this legal action on the face of it seems to me to be somewhat shaky I trust these three women to know what they are doing.

Akua Reindorf is an exceptionally good barrister. I trust her.

(And I trust JKR and Allison Bailey too).

Is JKR definitely funding this? All I can see in press reports is allusions to them being friends presumably just to boost interest in the story.

Also I wonder why her barrister changed. Looks like it was Jeremy Jupp at an earlier point.

@Pioou Yes I've just seen that too about it previously being Jeffrey Jupp. Also only that JKR is a friend.

Interesting it's estimated to take 7 days (link below). Seems a long time.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/county-court-at-central-london-cause-list/county-court-at-central-london-daily-cause-list-27-june-2023

screenshot of above link.

Hasnt the tribunal has already started and Monday is day 6

@spannasaurus yes tomorrow is day 6 out of an estimated total of 7. I just meant 7 days is a lot of time. I'd have expected 1-2.

The case seems to have gone under the radar a bit with no reporting until the 19th it seems which must have been day 4 at least.

The newspaper reports are sparse for 4 days of a hearing so maybe no one actually attended as a reporter.

Makes sense if it didn't need a crowdfunder, far fewer people would have heard of it or been looking out for it.

Wow that is long, I’d have expected 2ish days as well. The whole thing seems very overblown.

Is it day 7 of 7 today? Strange there's so little reporting

@EmptyPocketBlues yes it's day 7 of 7 days today.

She has won!!!

allisonbailey.co.uk/updates/allison-bailey-wins-first-ever-gender-critical-judgment-in-the-supply-of-goods-and-services/

That's absolutely amazing.

Wow! That’s great news for Allison and an absolute embarrassment for the vet practice which doesn’t believe in sex.

Sadly, I am not surprised there are such practices. I have long been ashamed of the capture of my profession, which 100% should know better.

From the Judgement:

"I am satisfied on the balance of probabilities that there was a culture within the practice which was contrary to Ms Bailey’s gender critical views. In my judgment that was a view shared by Ms Cook and Dr Munro. At least one of the things that people disliked about her was her belief. Having not accepted the evidence which sought to deny those views it seems to me that it is difficult to accept the evidence that the decision was taken solely on the basis of Ms Bailey’s behaviour."

That's the NHS woo culture fucked then.

Thank you, Allison. This is brilliant.

Oh, this is fantastic.

Another wheel comes off the bus.