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SigourneyHoward · 19/06/2025 13:45

Are there multiple people using lime's account - must be if the Lime of this thread, lets call them Lime1 wasn't aware that Lime2 had created the wall of garbled nonsense thread until it was pointed out to Lime1 on this thread... Doesn't that count as a version of socking?

ETA to change OP to Lime as I forgot Lime wasn't the OP

SerendipityJane · 19/06/2025 14:44

TomPinch · 19/06/2025 12:42

In the UK that's been achieved since 1690 (however imperfectly) by the supremacy of Parliament and the rule of law. Human rights is more recent, and while that's certainly secured rights that individuals in society need to have, I worry that it's being stretched so far beyond its bounds. On the one hand we have those who say that a person's desire to identify as Suzie one moment and Eddie the next is a matter for human rights. On the other hand we have Conservatives who see it as discredited and want to junk it entirely. I would prefer that human rights continue to be part of society without being called in aid of trivialities.

(Reply to @SerendipityJane )

Edited

I think this is one thing the US got right about the constitution (maybe the only thing they did ?)

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all humans are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness*

swapped for "Men"*
**But even then it really meant "white men". So not quite as universal as it seemed.

It would be an interesting exercise to invite posters on this thread to suggest what they consider an "inalienable" right.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/06/2025 15:26

SigourneyHoward · 19/06/2025 13:45

Are there multiple people using lime's account - must be if the Lime of this thread, lets call them Lime1 wasn't aware that Lime2 had created the wall of garbled nonsense thread until it was pointed out to Lime1 on this thread... Doesn't that count as a version of socking?

ETA to change OP to Lime as I forgot Lime wasn't the OP

Edited

A group have boasted about doing this before. Not really sure what the point is but it takes all sorts.

ArabellaScott · 19/06/2025 15:28

We all need a hobby, I suppose. Hanging out with a bunch of middle aged mums and trying to flex about the number of 'likes' your posts got is relatively harmless.

TheOtherRaven · 19/06/2025 16:06

There was an activist who liked to talk a lot about the number of pms they received agreeing with them as a supposed means of adding weight to their arguments. Naturally all from MNetters who went to a different school, you wouldn't know them.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/06/2025 16:09

'... Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness'

It sounds like Olde USAian for 'living your best life', There's quite a few people in the USA who are excising their 'unalienable rights', especially in Seattle and Los Angeles.

SerendipityJane · 19/06/2025 16:14

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 19/06/2025 16:09

'... Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness'

It sounds like Olde USAian for 'living your best life', There's quite a few people in the USA who are excising their 'unalienable rights', especially in Seattle and Los Angeles.

It is telling - and many commentators have highlighted - that the US is the only country in the world that has made "happiness" a mission statement. (Although hasn't Bhutan something similar).

Eagle eyed MNetters will know that Britain eschews any notion of there being a purpose to life. Not because of any egalitarian recognition that we each have our own happiness. But solely because the notion that the population exists for anything other than the happiness of the righteous doesn't exist in England.

It's hard to argue against utilitarianism

Utilitarianism - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism

TomPinch · 21/06/2025 03:41

SerendipityJane · 19/06/2025 14:44

I think this is one thing the US got right about the constitution (maybe the only thing they did ?)

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all humans are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness*

swapped for "Men"*
**But even then it really meant "white men". So not quite as universal as it seemed.

It would be an interesting exercise to invite posters on this thread to suggest what they consider an "inalienable" right.

The right to life?

That's not something utilitarianism handles well because the greatest happiness principle (in its purest form) says it's right to sacrifice a life for the greater good.

As for constitutions- my view is they should do no more than set out how how laws are made, who administers them and who interprets them. They should be value-neutral, otherwise society gets caught by what a lot of dead people thought. The US currently has that problem quite acutely while countries based on the British model do not.

SerendipityJane · 21/06/2025 09:37

As for constitutions- my view is they should do no more than set out how how laws are made, who administers them and who interprets them. They should be value-neutral, otherwise society gets caught by what a lot of dead people thought. The US currently has that problem quite acutely while countries based on the British model do not

The key - in fact defining - characteristic of any constitution is that it must sit above any single pillar of government, if you accept the 3-leg model of executive, legislature and judiciary. And as we know in the UK there are enough people who think a constitution is a morning walk that can be a difficult prospect to grapple with. A populist regime will always just point to it and judges and claim they have no sway over the "democratically elected" government.

Exactly what is happening in the US right now. Where it's clear that the concept of "teaching" the constitution in school hasn't really paid off. The vast majority of US citizens seem to think the consitution is a morning walk a British person takes.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth, until parliament chooses to legislate, SCOTUKs decision stands. Forever.

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