Good Law Project's latest claim - fact check?

[teawamutu]

I'm sure there must be some arrant bollocks in here somewhere, because Jolyon.

But is there anything worrying in this?

goodlawproject.org/ehrc-backs-down-on-single-sex-toilets/

I have a problem with the way the EHRC has interpreted the SC ruling in their draft guidance and I do not believe it will stand. (Although people are so nuts these days, you never know).

I don't know why you have a problem, it's just a summary of the SC ruling. Nothing added, no bells and whistles. It's simplified, but accurate and factual, in order to be a practical guide.

You've essentially conceded that it's going g through, with your fake claim that people are nuts, even though you, against all reason, seem to think it won't be approved.

What's a "non transw," by the way? There's no such thing, as far as I can comprehend. I mean, there are women, who are female humans and transw, who are male humans, who would like to have us believe that they are not males, even though they always have been and continue to be.

Well that’s me fucked then. How will I survive if someone gulp misgenderz me🥺🥺

The TRAs are really out in force today. Is it the heat?

They may not be, but I assume that their goal would be to live openly without having to hide, and they are not helped to do that if services are split into two genders.

It is exactly the same for trans women

Of course it’s not. A transwoman is a male bodied person, a woman isn’t.

But that’s your argument, your only argument - that transwomen are women, which is materially and legally false.
Everything else you say is predicated on this falsity.

it's just a summary of the SC ruling. Nothing added, no bells and whistles. It's simplified, but accurate and factual, in order to be a practical guide.

I disagree entirely. I don’t think it will pass in its current form- I think there will be some significant changes. But I also didn’t think Trump would elected , or we would leave the EU, or that PBs would be criminalised, so I acknowledge it’s a possibility.

A non-trans woman is a woman who isn’t trans.
I didn’t use the word cis, because people object, but we do need words to describe things if we are to communicate! Even the people we don’t like..

What do you mean by “legally false”?

It is absolutely is the same experience for trans women, although their bodies may have material differences.

Yes true

People moan about how much energy and water AI uses.

They should take a look at @Tandora's posts over the last couple of days.

Totally pointless, but used a huge amount of bandwidth!

But they aren’t pretending to be the opposite sex.

So you think transwomen don't claim to be female? And claim they're entitled to be in female-only spaces?

I've got news for you...

I know you say you use a "woman/man" and "male/female" distinction, but trans people don't.

Transwomen don't look at something designated female-only and say "oh, sure, not for me". And only try to get into "women-only" things.

you misunderstand me. I’m saying their claims are not a “pretence”. Their claims are what it is to be trans, and Being trans is not a performance or pretence. and yes they need to be able to use the spaces that are compatible with their safety, privacy and dignity as everyone else.

Did that make you feel good?

they need to be able to use the spaces that are compatible with their privacy and dignity as trans people.

So they're male people who need to be in female-only spaces?

I hate to break it to you, but that's logically impossible.

Only because you are stuck in a system of conceptual and linguistic dogma that is rendering you incapable of contemplating the actual realities of human diversity.

Yes, but the claims aren't actually true, are they? In that they're born male or female, and whatever the feeling in their head, if they try to appear as the opposite sex in public they are engaging in a form of (often benign) pretence.

Incidentally of your 2500 posts on MN, over a third are on trans issues, despite the 3 young kids etc. But definitely no personal motivation, yeah?

Atually I am going to delete my comment, because this poster is clearly not well.

It’s not true that they were registered female at birth, but they are not claiming that. It is not true that they were born with a body that looks exactly like yours, but they are not claiming that either.

Have you seriously counted how many posts I have ever made on mumsnet 😱 and the topics they were on? How does one do that? I’m flattered I guess…

Does... Does Judith walk among us?

<swoons>

I feel very youthful, I feel most comfortable around young children, in playgrounds, schools, getting changed with them etc. why I’m not allowed to do that when I feel my dignity is offended around adults, I don’t know. Can you not see how terrible and vulnerable I would be around adults?

People just don’t understand the realities of human diversity 🙄

Don't be, I only ever do it when something seems off or dishonest.

Very easy. Advanced search and keyword. Mine will be solidly TERFy for the last few years, to save you the bother, but I'm completely honest about that 😁

I get what you are saying but being trans is a real thing. honestly, truthfully it is. It is not superficial. It affects a minority of people, but those people do exist and they are not just pretending.

Only because you are stuck in a system of conceptual and linguistic dogma that is rendering you incapable of contemplating the actual realities of human diversity.

Okay, round of applause for that.

I'm afraid mathematicians like Helen Joyce and I are utterly impervious to this sort of thing, but we do appreciate the artistry.

But whether they are or they aren't doesn't oblige anyone to play along, or women to budge up and give up single sex spaces in order that male people aren't made sad, however delightful and sincere they are. Right?

That's okay. We fact check. It's true.

No humans are male females nor female males.

Nor are any humans female females or male males, which there would have to be if "cis" was a real human "diversity.

Seriously, this ran it's course of extremely unbelievable contortions and landed back at reality.

Don't worry about it.

Get over it as Stonewall used to say.

Now I’m mentally ill?

It is a real thing for them. Lots of people would like the world to be a different place and to suit them just how they like it, but sometimes you put society and others first. Sometimes people put you first over their own preferences too.