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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Phillipa york in the guardian

119 replies

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/06/2025 08:01

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/16/when-i-stopped-racing-i-thought-who-am-i-pippa-york-on-leaving-her-old-life-behind

equating young girls going on the pill with puberty blockers

“If you look at puberty blockers, that’s going to start around 12. Young girls are given the pill, so are we going to say that’s not OK? The decisions being made now over puberty blockers are purely political.”

and denying men have an advantage over women

She states that the idea that “somebody who’s been through male puberty has this innate advantage is just ludicrous. People come in all sizes. Each of us has different levels of testosterone at which our body is healthy.”

‘When I stopped racing I thought, who am I?’: Pippa York on leaving her old life behind

The Tour de France stage winner talks in detail for the first time about transitioning when her cycling career ended, growing up in the Gorbals and alienation in the peloton

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/16/when-i-stopped-racing-i-thought-who-am-i-pippa-york-on-leaving-her-old-life-behind

OP posts:
Fizbosshoes · 16/06/2025 13:27

It's ridiculous to think male puberty has no advantage, he might have reduced testosterone levels but what happens about all the other advantages he conveniently glosses over? (The physiology of a male body as well as the disadvantage of the menstrual cycle) It's literally coincidence than men are faster and/or stronger over just about every sport...🙄

SabrinaThwaite · 16/06/2025 13:56

MarieDeGournay · 16/06/2025 11:51

Yeah, it makes you wonder what he good thought that doping with testosterone at the Vuelta in 1992 - for which he served a fine and a suspension - was going to do for him if it doesn't improve strength and stamina..🙄

Ah, but according to Pippa in this interview, his elevated T was all due to a crash.

Which is a different story to this interview in The Times from 2017:

All this, and doping too, for all York’s new openness, there is a frustrating coyness on this thorny subject. “I have a doping conviction,” York does acknowledge of the 1992 Vuelta. An excess of testosterone was recorded, and a punishment meted out of a £1,100 fine, a ten-minute penalty and a three-month suspended ban.

York disputes the findings, the levels discovered, but, pressed on the issue, says: “I was a rider of those times. How you present that is up to you. You lived by the culture of the people round about you. You lived by their morals. If they became your morals . . .

“You are a victim in a way. A victim of a system that allows no way of informing anyone outside what was happening on the inside. A willing victim, I would say. When you want to do something that much you take the bad bits with the good bits.”

York defends her reluctance to go into detail by saying that she told everything she knew to the Cycling Independent Reform Commission report which, in 2015, investigated the historic extent of doping. And she insists that whatever was done should not sully her achievements.

“The doping wasn’t what made the difference,” she says. “If I was competitive, it wasn’t because of the medical side, it was because I was good enough.”

https://archive.ph/kK5D4

Essentially - if I was doping with T then it’s because everyone else was doing it, and I wanted to win so I was willing to do it, and it didn’t make any difference anyway.

OKaaaay.

LizziesTwin · 16/06/2025 14:09

He’s an unrepentant cheat who says whatever he wants at the time. The collaboration with David Walsh explains David Walsh’s position on men in women’s sport.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 16/06/2025 14:28

I am so bored of these self absorbed, narcissistic men, whinging on about how difficult life has been for them. They expect the whole world to revolve around them. If this is someone who is living as his 'authentic self' he doesn't sound very happy about it. 'I am not a refugee from who I was before' where is the world's tiniest violin when you need it?

What's with the picture caption 'Pippa York in front of a mural of Robert Millar', they're not two different people ffs!

SinnerBoy · 16/06/2025 14:29

Oh, I wasn't reeeeallleee cheating! It was only a little bit and anyway, everyone was doing g it. Sniff.

EdithStourton · 16/06/2025 14:46

SerafinasGoose · 16/06/2025 13:11

The big Adam's apple's a dead giveaway, innit?

Yep.
Plus the jawline and the overall facial structure.

viques · 16/06/2025 18:12

EdithStourton · 16/06/2025 14:46

Yep.
Plus the jawline and the overall facial structure.

And the attitude. No matter how much the t goes down the attitude stays the same.

🙂

Screamingabdabz · 16/06/2025 18:17

Ugh. Sick of this indulgent shite.

HermioneWeasley · 16/06/2025 18:21

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 16/06/2025 09:37

Oh look. He thinks that anyone who thinks males shouldn't compete in female sport should be sacked. 🙄

Yup, I saw someone post that on X. He’s just a controlling misogynist and a cross dresser who discovered his fetish by wearing his sister’s clothes. Poor her.

Szygy · 16/06/2025 18:21

Hmm, yes, that attitude. Philippa York’s Wikipedia entry is interesting. Despite the obligatory homage to pronouns, there’s not over-much sugar-coating going on. Passages like this have been allowed to stand:

As a cyclist, York had a reputation for being taciturn and could be uncooperative with the media. Jeff Connor, author of Wide Eyed & Legless: Inside the Tour de France was told to "fuck off" when requesting an interview during the 1987 Tour de France. When told this, commentator Phil Liggett replied, "That sounds like Millar, he's been really awkward with us in the past. Personally, I think it's a disgrace. He has a duty to his sponsor to represent the team and you don't do that by telling journalists to 'fuck off'."

ThatAgileCoralBird · 16/06/2025 18:36

He managed to father two children which surely is the most biologically male thing a man can do.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/06/2025 18:41
happy like it GIF by NOHAU

So his dad wore dresses too?

as in
‘I ride up hills, I skip and jump
I love to press wild flow'rs
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars

I ride my bike , I wear high heels
Suspenders and a bra
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa’

cheezncrackers · 16/06/2025 18:45

ScathingAngelAgrona · 16/06/2025 08:20

Looked at the photo and immediately knew this is not a woman.

Yeah, that would be an unusually large Adam's apple for a woman!

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 16/06/2025 19:16

MarieDeGournay · 16/06/2025 11:51

Yeah, it makes you wonder what he good thought that doping with testosterone at the Vuelta in 1992 - for which he served a fine and a suspension - was going to do for him if it doesn't improve strength and stamina..🙄

He wasn't doping with testosterone, he was using it to mask his innate female essence

LeftieRightsHoarder · 16/06/2025 19:21

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/06/2025 18:41

So his dad wore dresses too?

as in
‘I ride up hills, I skip and jump
I love to press wild flow'rs
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars

I ride my bike , I wear high heels
Suspenders and a bra
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa’

Yay! Monty Python was ahead of its time.

BettyFilous · 16/06/2025 19:28

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 16/06/2025 19:16

He wasn't doping with testosterone, he was using it to mask his innate female essence

Edited

👏👏👏

LeftieRightsHoarder · 16/06/2025 19:30

nutmeg7 · 16/06/2025 08:34

Just an ignorant man.

Knows no science.
Knows nothing about the difference between the pill and puberty blockers.
Knows nothing about women’s bodies.
Not enough humility to question his own arrogant assertions.

Yup. The perfect subject for a Guardian interview. 😂

OldCrone · 16/06/2025 19:40

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/06/2025 18:41

So his dad wore dresses too?

as in
‘I ride up hills, I skip and jump
I love to press wild flow'rs
I put on women's clothing
And hang around in bars

I ride my bike , I wear high heels
Suspenders and a bra
I wish I'd been a girlie
Just like my dear papa’

Ah, those were the days.

When you could take the piss out of blokes who get off on wearing women's clothing. Instead of having to pretend that they're the most vulnerable people in the known universe.

Transvestites/crossdressers are fetishists. They're not vulnerable little flowers whose every whim has to be pandered to.

OldCrone · 16/06/2025 19:40

I'll probably get banned for that last post. If you don't see me for a while you know why.

QAOPspaceman · 16/06/2025 20:18

ScathingAngelAgrona · 16/06/2025 08:20

Looked at the photo and immediately knew this is not a woman.

Tbh until people pointed out the adam's apple I wouldn't necessarily have looked twice if that picture of York was in a lineup of women that age. (Single image obviously being very different from seeing a living, breathing person).
But looks aren't the point are they - the point is it's not what you look like, it's what you are.

Lovelyview · 16/06/2025 20:26

nauticant · 16/06/2025 09:04

I suspect the equivalent piece in The Times on Saturday might have actually been worse:

https://archive.ph/EAWLm

Very long and I felt like I was being gaslit all the way through.

Here's the reason these pieces are appearing:

The Escape: The Tour, the Cyclist and Me by Pippa York and David Walsh (Mudlark £22), published on Thursday.

Haven't read everything but David Walsh is a journalist who spent years trying to bring Lance Armstrong to account for doping, Is the book supportive of the view that men should compete with women if they id as trans? That seems odd from someone who campaigned for fairness against dopers.

tobee · 16/06/2025 20:33

I read the interview in The Times. Everything about him/her dripped with entitlement and selfishness.

The bit where he/she says his/her sister phoned him/her on tour to say his/her mum died and he/she flatly said he'd be back for the funeral, when is it and his/her sister replied we've done it a month ago. He/she said why didn't you tell me? She said we didn't want to disturb what you're doing. I mean wtf? Presumably he/she thinks this an example of how he/she was then. Are we really being told that he/she was a selfish cunt purely because he/she was unhappy about not being able to live as his/her true self?

NB the David Walsh article switches between using male and female pronouns throughout

Zofloramummy · 16/06/2025 20:34

Pippa Yorke commentates on TNT sports but surprisingly rarely on female cycling mostly male cycling. I will admit I tend to switch off as I find the fake soft voice intensely annoying and the co-commentator using female pronouns jarring.

viques · 16/06/2025 20:57

tobee · 16/06/2025 20:33

I read the interview in The Times. Everything about him/her dripped with entitlement and selfishness.

The bit where he/she says his/her sister phoned him/her on tour to say his/her mum died and he/she flatly said he'd be back for the funeral, when is it and his/her sister replied we've done it a month ago. He/she said why didn't you tell me? She said we didn't want to disturb what you're doing. I mean wtf? Presumably he/she thinks this an example of how he/she was then. Are we really being told that he/she was a selfish cunt purely because he/she was unhappy about not being able to live as his/her true self?

NB the David Walsh article switches between using male and female pronouns throughout

Edited

“He” is fine. It’s the accepted pronoun for a man.

tobee · 16/06/2025 20:58

Thanks @viques . I thought so but wasn't certain when it came to GRC holders. Assuming he has one. And did not want a deletion.