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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Phillipa york in the guardian

119 replies

Theeyeballsinthesky · 16/06/2025 08:01

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/16/when-i-stopped-racing-i-thought-who-am-i-pippa-york-on-leaving-her-old-life-behind

equating young girls going on the pill with puberty blockers

“If you look at puberty blockers, that’s going to start around 12. Young girls are given the pill, so are we going to say that’s not OK? The decisions being made now over puberty blockers are purely political.”

and denying men have an advantage over women

She states that the idea that “somebody who’s been through male puberty has this innate advantage is just ludicrous. People come in all sizes. Each of us has different levels of testosterone at which our body is healthy.”

‘When I stopped racing I thought, who am I?’: Pippa York on leaving her old life behind

The Tour de France stage winner talks in detail for the first time about transitioning when her cycling career ended, growing up in the Gorbals and alienation in the peloton

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2025/jun/16/when-i-stopped-racing-i-thought-who-am-i-pippa-york-on-leaving-her-old-life-behind

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PauliesWalnuts · 16/06/2025 09:59

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 16/06/2025 08:51

Yeah that wasn’t bad at all. They countered the really mad stuff he said. Change afoot at the guardian

really telling that Pippa just can’t get his head around the idea that women’s stuff is for women. And that alone is all the reason required to say men can’t have it

men like him will never see that I think. They can’t be compromised with. We just need to get to a point where organisations are confident and comfortable to just say ‘No’ when men like this demand women’s things

The comments he made against BC are also bang out of order. The Federation bent over backwards at first to accommodate him and his ideas, in particular their then Head of Comms. This was a misguided attempt to make the sport appear ahead of the curve, and when it became apparent that some backtracking needed to be done to consider actual fairness, PY didn't like it and threw her toys out of the pram. He was also less than considerate to the female riders on the squad right from the start.
If you go to the cycling centre you can watch the riders train. I've lost count of the times I've done so. If staff have written to the UCI it's possibly because if they have spent months helping the likes of Laura Kenny and Katie Archibald be the very best they can be, training so hard that they vomit when finishing a session, and it can't be easy to then watch a second rate, no-mark cyclist like Emily Bridges try and take one of those slots on the squad.

Shortshriftandlethal · 16/06/2025 10:00

Self serving and deluded.

Merrymouse · 16/06/2025 10:08

If he conflates the pill with GnRH analogues, he has a very sketchy understanding of hormones, which is rather worrying, given that he is presumably on hormone treatment.

Merrymouse · 16/06/2025 10:10

"somebody who’s been through male puberty has this innate advantage is just ludicrous. People come in all sizes. Each of us has different levels of testosterone at which our body is healthy."

Again, really sketchy understanding of hormones.

SerafinasGoose · 16/06/2025 10:12

A short blip following the SC ruling saw the Guardian go uncharcteristically quiet and even produce one or two sensible articles. Seems that over the past few weeks it's reverted to being up to its tits in GI again.

Sport has finally got with the programme on this issue, with some very welcome intervention from courageous former athletes like Martina Navratilova and Sharron Davies. More and more are defining women's categories as precisely that.

The tide has turned. They have lost.

Helleofabore · 16/06/2025 10:15

MoistVonL · 16/06/2025 08:29

Robert Millar/Philippa York is talking out of his backside. The pill and puberty blocker are nothing like one another.

The sheer audacity of spouting such nonsense shouldn’t keep surprising me, but it does.

It is just another male person leveraging their little knowledge about female people to advantage other male people. It is misogynistic bullshit

ItsCoolForCats · 16/06/2025 10:17

I thought it was good that they countered the misinformation being spouted by PY in the article. Let's hope the Guardian can make a habit of producing more balanced journalism in this area.

And it clearly illustrates why people like PY should be no where near decision making when it comes to trans inclusion in sport. They are unable to put their bias and personal experiences to one side to look at the science objectively. It was advice from Gendered Intelligence that caused the English and Wales Cricket Board to produce their woeful trans inclusion policy that has only recently been overturned. It is a terrible idea to involve activists in policy making.

PY sounds incredibly bitter to accuse British Cycling of having a problem with the LGBT spectrum just because they decided to protect the female category. Unlike other sporting bodies, British Cycling actually listened to their female athletes (who apparently were planning boycotts).

Helleofabore · 16/06/2025 10:34

It is a reminder that we are approaching Tour de France season though.

SinnerBoy · 16/06/2025 10:36

PlasticAcrobat · 16/06/2025 08:17

I feel like activist staff at the guardian must have pressed for some kind of a 'deal': You can research and print factual articles about the Supreme Court judgement and the conflict between trans activism and women's rights; but ONLY if you include lots of fact-free pieces about frustrated transpeople and bandwagon-riding celebrities for 'balance'.

For a while after the judgement I thought the guardian was improving in its coverage, but these 'balance' pieces are getting more extreme. It is like the have modified their 'facts are sacred comments are free' mantra' to 'facts are hurtful, comment pieces soothe'

It's not just fact free, it's active disinformation.

healthybychristmas · 16/06/2025 10:48

So he can't see the difference between preventing pregnancy in young children who may well be abused by older man, and people taking sex hormones? Another one who isn't going to click on that.

Merrymouse · 16/06/2025 10:50

healthybychristmas · 16/06/2025 10:48

So he can't see the difference between preventing pregnancy in young children who may well be abused by older man, and people taking sex hormones? Another one who isn't going to click on that.

The problem isn't just that - they are completely different drugs.

HappyNewTaxYear · 16/06/2025 11:04

MarieDeGournay · 16/06/2025 09:35

Obvious not 'talented' enough with the testosterone he already had:

Millar, R positive 14/05/1992 Positive test ID 811
Millar tested positive for a high testosterone level following Stage 18 of the 1992 Vuelta. He received a fine, a time penalty in the race and a temporary suspension.
Millar, R positive . Dopeology

That said, even if he was 'assisted' in some way, so were most of the other competitors, so he did do well in the Tour de France and other big races.
Pity he didn't stick to recalling his career in professional cycling instead of dabbling in amateur pharmacology and physiology.

This is delicious irony.

OldCrone · 16/06/2025 11:05

"somebody who’s been through male puberty has this innate advantage is just ludicrous. People come in all sizes. Each of us has different levels of testosterone at which our body is healthy."

What's his theory for why the fastest men are so much faster than the fastest women?

Does he think the women just aren't trying hard enough?

zanahoria · 16/06/2025 11:09

SerafinasGoose · 16/06/2025 10:12

A short blip following the SC ruling saw the Guardian go uncharcteristically quiet and even produce one or two sensible articles. Seems that over the past few weeks it's reverted to being up to its tits in GI again.

Sport has finally got with the programme on this issue, with some very welcome intervention from courageous former athletes like Martina Navratilova and Sharron Davies. More and more are defining women's categories as precisely that.

The tide has turned. They have lost.

I note that they are still light on actually taking on the legal arguments. It is just more of the same 'poor transwoman' articles and absolutely zero on women's experiences.

moto748e · 16/06/2025 11:41

PlasticAcrobat · 16/06/2025 08:17

I feel like activist staff at the guardian must have pressed for some kind of a 'deal': You can research and print factual articles about the Supreme Court judgement and the conflict between trans activism and women's rights; but ONLY if you include lots of fact-free pieces about frustrated transpeople and bandwagon-riding celebrities for 'balance'.

For a while after the judgement I thought the guardian was improving in its coverage, but these 'balance' pieces are getting more extreme. It is like the have modified their 'facts are sacred comments are free' mantra' to 'facts are hurtful, comment pieces soothe'

Think you've nailed it there. 👏

SinnerBoy · 16/06/2025 11:41

How can he claim that testosterone doesn't improve strength and stamina, with a straight face? He's lying through his teeth, he knows that's exactly why he took it.

moggly · 16/06/2025 11:45

Yet another middle-aged transvestite being given a national platform for his misogyny. Thanks, Guardian.

SerafinasGoose · 16/06/2025 11:49

zanahoria · 16/06/2025 11:09

I note that they are still light on actually taking on the legal arguments. It is just more of the same 'poor transwoman' articles and absolutely zero on women's experiences.

@SinnerBoy nails it downthread. TRAs in general are light on arguments because practically every word they spout is demonstrable BS. It isn't even necessarily ignorant BS, but outright lies. The likes of 'Pippa' York appear to live in a topsy-turvy parallel universe where fact equals fiction and vice versa.

It's one of the most fascinating exercises in reverse logic and cognitive doublethink I think I've ever witnessed. Actually, scrub the 'reverse logic'. To reverse it, there would have to be logic there in the first place, and I don't think as yet we've come that far ...

MarieDeGournay · 16/06/2025 11:51

SinnerBoy · 16/06/2025 11:41

How can he claim that testosterone doesn't improve strength and stamina, with a straight face? He's lying through his teeth, he knows that's exactly why he took it.

Yeah, it makes you wonder what he good thought that doping with testosterone at the Vuelta in 1992 - for which he served a fine and a suspension - was going to do for him if it doesn't improve strength and stamina..🙄

MassiveWordSalad · 16/06/2025 11:56

MarieDeGournay · 16/06/2025 09:35

Obvious not 'talented' enough with the testosterone he already had:

Millar, R positive 14/05/1992 Positive test ID 811
Millar tested positive for a high testosterone level following Stage 18 of the 1992 Vuelta. He received a fine, a time penalty in the race and a temporary suspension.
Millar, R positive . Dopeology

That said, even if he was 'assisted' in some way, so were most of the other competitors, so he did do well in the Tour de France and other big races.
Pity he didn't stick to recalling his career in professional cycling instead of dabbling in amateur pharmacology and physiology.

So his first ever use of hormones was to cheat? Awesome.

edited for stupid typing.

Szygy · 16/06/2025 12:37

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 16/06/2025 09:37

Oh look. He thinks that anyone who thinks males shouldn't compete in female sport should be sacked. 🙄

Let me guess. That would be mainly women?

Toseland · 16/06/2025 12:44

I'm so tired of the experiences of older men who say they are trans being written about, they moan about how hard their lives have been and claim poor me. I suspect there are 15 year old girls out there with harder lives than him but we never bloody hear about them do we?

Szygy · 16/06/2025 12:46

Btw, it appears that Millar still managed to marry a woman prior to discovering his brave and stunning true identity. Wonder if he told her about his 'secret world' before they tied the knot?

EdithStourton · 16/06/2025 12:49

ScathingAngelAgrona · 16/06/2025 08:20

Looked at the photo and immediately knew this is not a woman.

Ditto.

SerafinasGoose · 16/06/2025 13:11

EdithStourton · 16/06/2025 12:49

Ditto.

The big Adam's apple's a dead giveaway, innit?