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The Bluestocking - where the laugh emoji is sorely missed.

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MyrtleLion · 13/06/2025 18:35

Welcome to the Bluestocking Arms!

The company is always sparkling, the drinks are always sublime, and the cakes are mysteriously free from gluten, sugar, calories, and troublesome booze… not that you’d ever notice. 😏

Our enthusiastic team of gerbil waitstaff is ably supported by capybaras, quokkas, and other charming creatures who excel at their jobs while looking outrageously adorable.

You will find many things to laugh at - usually out loud - so take care not to spit out your tea. We are considering a petition for the return of the laugh emoji - just as soon as the AI gerbils learn how to spell.

New Bluestockingers are always welcome. Men can pop along to The Staunch Ally nearby.

Currently also knitting a Woolly Hug blanket for Bluestockinger Swashbuckled. Details here if you can knit or crochet a square before the 18 July.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5350941-woolly-hugs-desperately-sad-news-we-are-afraid-making-a-blanket-for-lovely-swashbuckled-whose-son-has-tragically-died

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FuzzyPuffling · 26/06/2025 08:18

Ey up, me duck.

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 08:42

DeanElderberry · 26/06/2025 06:51

Your Nan for certain sure knew my old over-the-road neighbour (RIP), who was from Abbeydorney (current population 418) and went to school with the aunt of Joanne Hayes, the young woman in the Kerry baby case.

Small world.

Well fascinating how long ago did your neighbour die could be one of my aunts or uncle.

EdithStourton · 26/06/2025 08:56

In the theme of morning greetings....
Yew all a'roight s'mornen then?

Edited for autocarrot, which doesn't like rural dialects.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/06/2025 09:18

Ay oop, brew anyone?BrewBrew

DeanElderberry · 26/06/2025 10:05

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 08:42

Well fascinating how long ago did your neighbour die could be one of my aunts or uncle.

She died in 1995. I didn't even need to look it up!

MarieDeGournay · 26/06/2025 10:13

FuzzyPuffling · 26/06/2025 07:48

I was hoping to say something erudite and/or witty, but it's not going to happen, so just ...
Good morning everyone!

Howya hun?
It's only 10.12, you have all day to come up with witty and erudite things - get that cuppa down ya first hunSmile

FuzzyPuffling · 26/06/2025 10:23

MarieDeGournay · 26/06/2025 10:13

Howya hun?
It's only 10.12, you have all day to come up with witty and erudite things - get that cuppa down ya first hunSmile

I fear it won't happen today. DH is feeling unwell, so that's my day sorted.

However, I have just discovered( to my cost) Girlcat really likes home made cherry frangipane tart. Better than Whiskas, eh?

MyrtleLion · 26/06/2025 10:42

Bannedontherun · 25/06/2025 22:25

<plucks up the courage to shuffle up a chair with the irish contingent>

My Nan was Irish, born in Port Arlington.brought up in Abbeydorney.

She came to the UK after her younger sisters and worked in munitions.

She could speak the irish language.

I used to visit her with my little ones and watch Gaye Byrne on daytime TV, in the early nineties.

Up came an item on the Caircevene babies (i have spelt that wrong). My Nana knew the family.

There was a strong feminist contingency in the audience, i managed to locate the book about the awful details of what happened to the woman whose name escapes me.

What stuck in my mind was the Judges willingness to contemplate the possibility that she was pregnant with two babies fathered by two different fathers at the same time. And shipped in experts about this.

it just smacks of what is going on now, how males will adjust their credibility to accept complete nonsense for the ultimate benefit of men.

as an aside I lent the book to my great auntie and never got it back. Does anyone know what the book was called and the name of the woman.

AI has the answer:

That case you’re recalling is almost certainly the infamous Kerry Babies scandal in 1984, near Caherciveen, County Kerry.

The Gardaí investigated the death of a newborn boy found on the beach, and, oddly, suggested the mother—Joanne Hayes—might have given birth to two babies by two different fathers (a case of alleged heteropaternal superfecundation), even though DNA didn’t support it .

Joanne was wrongly accused of murdering the beach baby; later a tribunal was launched, and in 2020 the State formally apologized to her.

Several books cover the saga:

  1. A Woman to Blame by Nell McCafferty, a scathing examination of the case and the Garda’s treatment of Hayes.
  1. Joanne Hayes’s own account, My Story, co-written with John Barrett.

If you're after the book exploring a judge’s suggestion that she could have had two babies by different fathers, Nell McCafferty’s A Woman to Blame is the one diving into that miscarriage of justice. Her reporting pushes back hard on that theory and the institutional failures it exposed.

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MyrtleLion · 26/06/2025 10:46

Gosh, my knitting is eating into my Bluestocking time and I've sent off my squares. 4 pages of chat that I missed!

I fear I have become a little obsessed. I have a small project in the go - actually two - I have knitted 9 squares for a Little Hug, blocked them and now they are ready to be seen together.

The other is slightly more ambitious with different colours and may never see the light of day, but I'm enjoying it nevertheless. I realise that I actually have two different weights of yarn - one is an Aran and the other is super thick and fluffy, so it's making for an interesting contrast.

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Dryeroo · 26/06/2025 11:00

The Gardaí investigated the death of a newborn boy found on the beach, and, oddly, suggested the mother—Joanne Hayes—might have given birth to two babies by two different fathers (a case of alleged heteropaternal superfecundation), even though DNA didn’t support it .

Joanne Hayes wasn’t the mother of the murdered baby found on the beach though. Her own baby had died at birth, but was buried elsewhere.

I don’t think the parents of Baby John were ever identified. The gardaí looked again a few years ago. I don’t think they found anything or if they did it wasn’t made public.

Dryeroo · 26/06/2025 11:11

Actually a couple were arrested in 2023, but they were released again.

JuneShellChangeHerTune · 26/06/2025 11:14

Yes, and it was DNA testing which identified the couple.

MyrtleLion · 26/06/2025 11:25

Dryeroo · 26/06/2025 11:00

The Gardaí investigated the death of a newborn boy found on the beach, and, oddly, suggested the mother—Joanne Hayes—might have given birth to two babies by two different fathers (a case of alleged heteropaternal superfecundation), even though DNA didn’t support it .

Joanne Hayes wasn’t the mother of the murdered baby found on the beach though. Her own baby had died at birth, but was buried elsewhere.

I don’t think the parents of Baby John were ever identified. The gardaí looked again a few years ago. I don’t think they found anything or if they did it wasn’t made public.

AI makes mistakes!

There will be lucrative jobs in fact-checking as a result.

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MarieDeGournay · 26/06/2025 11:37

Well done for sending off the lovely squares you did Myrtle
Hope DH is better soon, Fuzzy, and that you manage to ringfence some of that delicious-sounding tart for human consumption😄

Nell McCafferty - now there was 'some woman for one woman'💚

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 26/06/2025 11:40

My squares are all packed up and ready to be posted, the next time dh is out with the dogs. We are currently dog-sitting ds3's girlfriend's dog, who is a cute cockerpoo. She was told he was half toy poodle, but judging by the size he's grown to, there's no toy in his poodle! And he's not stopped growing yet.

I now need to decide what my next knitting will be - I need to knit the sleeves for dh's latest jumper, then I've got the yarn to knit a baby shawl for my friend's younger dd, who is expecting in January, and the yarn to knit a cardigan for myself. Plus I've been asked to knit a sweater for a friend, and I am going to knit Shaun the Sheep for dh, for Christmas. Luckily the friend says there's no hurry for the sweater.

Chersfrozenface · 26/06/2025 12:51

Well, I've had to undo two half-done squares so haven't got very far.

I'm sure I will get used to knitting again, though.

MarieDeGournay · 26/06/2025 13:36

Well done and thank you for your lovely squares, Woley.
You like your knitting, don't you?? that's quite a schedule you have set out!
The recipients of your craft are very lucky - especially DH who gets a knitted Shaun the Sheep - photos please, when the time comesSmile

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 14:17

DeanElderberry · 26/06/2025 10:05

She died in 1995. I didn't even need to look it up!

was your neighbours name Chris/tina/Christina, married to Cyril?

DeanElderberry · 26/06/2025 14:22

No, afraid not. Bridie, had a sister Lizzie, brothers Mossy and Sonny (which would probably have been a nickname, no idea what his real name was).

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 14:53

DeanElderberry · 26/06/2025 14:22

No, afraid not. Bridie, had a sister Lizzie, brothers Mossy and Sonny (which would probably have been a nickname, no idea what his real name was).

Thanks would have been mad if it was. My mum has newspaper cuttings of village life in, and photos, wondering if any of the names feature on that.

Actually i think there is a web page as well.

MarieDeGournay · 26/06/2025 15:44

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 14:53

Thanks would have been mad if it was. My mum has newspaper cuttings of village life in, and photos, wondering if any of the names feature on that.

Actually i think there is a web page as well.

It would have been mad, but funSmile
I seem to recall two Stockingers realizing that they used to play on the same beach when on childhood holidays in Wales? that was a bit mad tooGrin

Portarlington - 'The Paris of the Midlands' due to the settlement there of Huguenots by Henri Massue de Ruvigny (1648–1720), marquis de Ruvigny, later given the title of Earl of Galway [and therefore confusingly referred to as 'Galway' in history books -' hang on, why is Galway settling Huguenots in Laois???'Confused]
Portarlington | Laois County Council

Bannedontherun · 26/06/2025 15:53

@MarieDeGournay Yes i know about Portarlington and the Huguenots.

I have visited Eire quite a few times but not recently.

Stopped to peer at the farmhouse my ancestors lived at, mused about knocking on the door but chickened out.

Since have learnt one of my elderly Aunties still live there, from a cousin, who i linked with via Ancestry.

He sent me quite a few photos.

It is hard as hell to track Irish ancestors without actually going there.

Magpiecomplex · 26/06/2025 17:30

Afternoon all! Bar gerbil, I'd like a long, cold drink and someone to rant at, please.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/06/2025 17:40

Wassup, @Magpiecomplex?

Magpiecomplex · 26/06/2025 17:46

ErrolTheDragon · 26/06/2025 17:40

Wassup, @Magpiecomplex?

Fairly high order idiocy... Of the sort that says "Hey, you can teach something completely unrelated to your speciality, can't you?". Imagine an art teacher being asked to teach biology for a year because that's the easiest way to make the spreadsheet balance.

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