No legal definition of biological sex, teaching union members told

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I don't know if this has been shared yet, I can't see it if it has:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/23e62b5a-1754-4199-8233-887c05b4d739?shareToken=7a17042a38f041aad3672258b82c82cf

I don’t understand how on earth they think they can they get away with such complete lies.

Surely they are leaving themselves wide open to legal action, and they have very helpfully broadcasted the fact that they are lying about the law. Could come in handy if anyone does decided to take legal action against them.

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Supposedly no scientific definition either, the fools.

And these muppets are teaching children and young people.

What f*cking nonsense 🙄

Well biological sex was defined in Corbett vs Corbett as chromosomal and gonadal sex so there wrong on all counts

In one presentation, given by a member of the LGBT network at the Public and Commercial Services Union, which represents civil servants, attendees were told: “There is no legal or even scientific definition of ‘biological sex’.”

This is paradigmatic of TA misuse of language. In a literalistic sense it's correct to say that the term 'biological sex' is not used in biology. That's because the term 'sex' has a technical, precise definition. Outside of biology the term 'biological sex' is used to refer to the word 'sex' as used in biology, i.e. with its technical definition within the broad fields of biology.

So, the claim that there's no legal definition of 'biological sex' rests on assertion that the term 'biological sex' is not itself used in the field of biology, namely that there's no biological 'biological sex'. This is obviously semantic game-playing. It's so silly and transparently dishonest that it's impossible to pin down TA's into making clear that this is their argument.

For fucks sake! Why do people listen to these absolute fuckwits. There is case law eh Corbett v Corbett that defines these terms

it’s like trying to reason with fucking toddlers

How are they going to teach human reproduction?

The legal position is that someone's sex is an observable fact based on their chromosomal, gonadal and genital development as they exist at birth (not as modified later by surgery). All three are taken into account. Where there is a genuine doubt as to someone's sex, a court will decide, based on the evidence of what those three things were when the baby was born. There's also a statutory mechanism for an error made on a birth certificate - like where an error of observation was made - to be corrected by means of a marginal note in the register of births.

Michael Foran explains the position, in his latest paper, here:
papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=5282283

Back in the real world, schools and teachers don't use chromosomes, gonads or genitals to determine pupils sex. They also don't ask the NEU for their opinion. They look on the birth certificate. 😂

There were only 150 people at the event so hardly all teachers…

fucking ridiculous though that they are straight out lying about the law!

I’m so glad my children are out of education, these people are morons.

How are they thinking teachers will teach :

Year 4 - Having a baby (pupils can describe the internal and external parts of male and female bodies that are necessary for making a baby)

what an absolute head fuck for teachers not able to say what a male or female is.

How do they think all those small people in their care came to be? Storks brought them?

It’s another of life’s great mysteries. If only someone could research what is happening so us confused people in a fog of uncertainty could find out how we all managed to get pregnant and have all these dependent humans to look after. It’s a mystery to me. I still haven’t had my DNA checked, so I’m not sure what happened to me.

Miss? Where do babies come from?

Hmm, well little Johnny it's complicated because while we can identify the sex of all other mammals no one can tell if humans are male or female and India Willoughby thinks despite having given birth twice Princess Anne might actually be male so all we can say is you need two people one who is called a birthing parent and one who isn't and if you leave them alone in a room together 9 months later a baby may or may not arrive and if it does a midwife will throw a die to decide if they will potentially be a birthing parent in the future or not. Is that clear?

When a mummy bird and a daddy bird love each other very much, they get certain urges... 😀

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No, you pay lots of cash to a surrogacy organisation and a bit later, a baby turns up. It's just like ordering a new thingimybob from Amazon.

More wilful, deliberate and disingenuous "misunderstanding", I see...

I was thinking about this on the train yesterday. Looking out of the window at the other commuters. You can identify their sex easily, in less than a second. Occasionally two seconds if they have an androgynous hairstyle or their back to you. I wonder how many primaries still read The Emperor's New Clothes in assembly.

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You had me at the India Willoughby bit 🤣

I was in tesco yesterday using the self service tills, early in the morning, so quiet. Someone started using the till next to me and I knew immediately, without looking, that it was a bloke. I can't tell you how I knew. It wasn't size/height because he was only about 5'5. Stance/movement caught out of the corner of my eye, maybe? But it was exceedingly quick and subconscious.

All this blithering on and insisting that no-one can tell what sex someone is and yet every human that has ever lived grew in a female body. It's the one thing that every single person has in common.

I suspect their argument, because they're so much cleverer than the rest of us, is that sex does exist but we can only know the sex of our own body, we have no way of knowing the sex of anyone else's, only they know that. We might think we know just by looking but we're wrong and probably fascist for thinking that, and the fact that we're able to tell with 100% accuracy if a fully clothed human is male or female without them having to tell us or drop their trousers is just proof of how wrong we are.

When a couple says 'we're pregnant!' we all know which one of them is not in fact pregnant.

The ongoing deliberate obfuscation between DSDs and gender identity needs to be addressed by journalists.

The ‘sex is complicated’ part is dependent on ignoring 99.9% plus of the population, and it really isn’t beyond comprehension for the remaining 0.018%.

The prevalence of having a trans identity is 0.5%. I expect having a DSD is likely to occur at a higher rate within the trans population, but each occurrence would reflect a trans person with a DSD - two different phenomenon.

Children who experience gender distress or confusion do not have confusion about their sex. Their sex/ sexed body is what they attribute their distress to. When desiring cross sex hormones at puberty, they know which hormones their body will and won’t be increasing producing of.

It astounds me how far removed these activist teacher’s ‘preaching’ is from those they think they are protecting. They seem to grasp at what they think are ‘gotchas’, and regurgitate points that are perpetually repeated on social media, without noticing that, at best, they don’t cohere and, at worst, they conflict.