Darlington nurses ‘victory’

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About bloody time, now sue their useless union for their complete lack of help.

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Great news for the nurses but the very cynical side of me wonders, has Wes Streeting intervened in the hope that this doesn't go to court, so it doesn't go down in case law and force the entire NHS to find a third space ASAP? Are they hoping women will majority put up and shut up so the gov don't have to spend money on solving the problems the acceptance of illegal self-ID has caused?

Well done Wes Streeting, yes make it clear that it’s all of England and Wales and hopefully Scotland will take the hint.

Wes Streeting's actions only apply in England - health is a devolved issue in Wales, so they also need to buck their ideas up and take the hint.

Isn't this massive news? Where's the Guardian on this?!

Abso-fucking-lutely.
EXACTLY what my trust are doing.

"This story gets worse, the nurse ‘Rose’ who is at the root of all this, is the son of another male nurse, Dale Henderson, who is scheduled to appear in court this week facing multiple charges of sex offences against children. Maybe the timing of this move is significant."

Yes, I read this, and despite everything was gobsmacked.

Isn't this massive news? Where's the Guardian on this?!

You're having a laugh, aren't you? It would only be reported in the Grauniad, if it had gone the way of Trans Women, and then they would have been all over it.

I just tried looking it up in the search and the Women's section. Nada. WTF

the existing structure run by elites need to be smashed, as Reform suggests

I doubt Reform will be capable of running the bin collections in the Councils they've taken over.

One of their "DOGE" guys has already admitted that one Council will need to spend MORE money to update IT in order to improve efficiency and the Chairman of Reform has tried to publicise a "waste" figure from Kent that is completely false.

All this stupid language about "elites" etc sounds fine until you have to actually try and run the structures yourself. Then reality tends to intervene.

I wonder if this is actually carrying out a policy that Starmer approves of, whether he's told Streeting what to do or not. He has to be totally aware of the way that the trans issue brought Nicola Sturgeon down, and how it added to the problems of the Democrats in America. For all the noise that the trans mob makes, they cost votes to anyone who supports them in politics. And recent activities have made them look worse, what with topless demonstrations, claims that sex is 'nebulous', refusals to accept the Cass report, women dropping out of sporting events etc.

So now the Supreme Court decision makes it easy for the government to drop the toxic mess. If there are protests, they can say, "The Supreme Court has tied our hands on this. We must follow the law." Any demands for a new revised law can be met with "We're examining the impact of this decision" but no actual change.

💯 Agree.

I have no doubt that this is about trying to prevent/ encourage the nurses pursuing their case.
The Government DOES NOT WANT a precedent set which would then force all NHS Services to accept the ruling of the Supreme Court. There are far too many captured Trusts and Services which would have no choice.

I really hope that the nurses pursue their case but I am not in their shoes so they should do what is best for them.

I agree it's annoying, it should be had their rights restored, not won the right, women won the right decades ago, we had it taken off us. It's about time the main stream media, started to accurately report it as something that was taken off us, and now because of the persistence of some of those who have been robbed, we're getting it back.

Talking about sex offender parents feeds into the narrative of poor trans people. Most people with a sex offender parent dont go on to be trans, this is a conscious choice. It affects the support that should be given to children of sex offenders.

Wes doesnt want the sort of bad publicity Scotland has had over wasting NHS money defending the indefensible. He wants this settled quickly.

I can’t see them settling though. They have been very badly treated.
They were told they needed re- education and to broaden their mindset!

I think they will want their day in court for the world to see what’s gone on

Geniuses on FB are thinking of it every day! Even nowadays. And still getting 'likes' for it!

Starmer's reputation for ruthless efficiency (or efficient ruthlessness) will be put to its biggest test to date. And by having dispatched Streeting to fire the first shot across the first shot across the bow, it seems Starmer come to this conclusion too.

You are assuming Streeting is only the messenger here, @GallantKumquat , and the impetus has come from Starmer. How can we be sure about this? Based on both men's past statements, it seems much more likely to me that this was WS's' own initiative, which actually might embarrass or disconcert Starmer a bit.

This is a really good point. So many news outlets are relaying incorrect facts. The DM has been better than many others but I agree the headline is incorrect and misleading.

@moto748e You are assuming Streeting is only the messenger here, and the impetus has come from Starmer. How can we be sure about this? Based on both men's past statements, it seems much more likely to me that this was WS's' own initiative, which actually might embarrass or disconcert Starmer a bit.

My comment was interpretive (and a bit overwrought, sometimes I can't help myself). But I do think that it's important to put this particular issue into a broader context. Many have argued that it was the reason Harris lost and Trump won. I think that's correct. The big dynamic going on in UK and US politics is the collapse in credibility of civic and governing institutions. The reason why the trans issue has become salient as a national issue is because it's an ideology so insane that it could only have been rolled out by institutions that are immune to popular opinion and the pressure of politicians that need to win democratic elections.

In this way the issue is deadly to center left politics whose politicians win elections by claiming to be better administrators of government, and by promising to use the power of government to provide services that improve peoples lives. Reform/Trumpism argues the institutions used to deliver those services are hopelessly corrupt and should instead be dismantled and the proceeds used (for example) to fund tax cuts.

I think there's evidence that Starmer grasps this and in fact it's his principle political concern. Starmer himself is probably not terribly committed to the GC cause out of principle, though he's probably miffed that it's caused him personal embarrassment. Streeting clearly is however. And i think it's reasonable to assume that that's one of the reasons he was selected for his post. It's also notable that there is not a single TA in government. Saying that Streeting was dispatched was bit of a rhetorical flourish, but surely Starmer is aware and approves.

In any case, I do think the situation that I've sketched is consistent with how Starmer's actions are playing out more broadly, but you're quite right that it's speculative. And also quite right to be distrustful that Starmer is GC convert.

We were all so busy dealing with our bigoted essentialist breasts, uteruses and stuff that we forgot!

It's also notable that there is not a single TA in government.

Lisa Nandy? I'm just not inclined to be very trusting towards the Labour Party, and Starmer in particular.

I know, I feel like that’s a line that should of been trotted out years ago and stuck to. It was refreshing though to have the big boss come out and say it when asked. A kind of variation of we are all kind and supportive of our trans colleagues. However it is expected that people use the facilities of their biological sex and if they are uncomfortable with that to use self contained unisex facilities. These already exist it’s not like they are busy building new ones ala Scottish parliament.

Well the lovely Lisa has departed from her previous stance, and Starmer was responding to questions about women with Willy's from what was he pretended to believe was the legal aspects.

Personally i think they are all relieved about not having to pretend anymore.

Having said this i think it demonstrates a lot of cowardice.

Principles and politicians are mostly complete strangers these days.

It is the central theme of Reform: the bureaucratic, professionalized, quango regulated state has become democratically unaccountable irrespective of which party is in power.

This is hardly a new criticism or original to Reform. Tony Benn used to go on about this all the time.