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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The purity spiral tightens on the transgenderUK reddit

52 replies

MyAmpleSheep · 03/06/2025 22:22

It seems someone (trans) working inside the Labour Party, in a group called "Pride in Labour" posted something in the transgenderUK reddit and got piled on by other posters to such a level that a moderator had to delete a whole load of posts. Now that moderator - the one who won't brook any dissent to the echobox - is being attacked in his/her/their own reddit. Shades of Robespierre being dragged to the guillotine.

Here's that moderator's own post, quoting some of the stuff that he/she/they had to remove:

Hi, yes - I did lock and/or remove some of these threads, primarily because it had resulted in a full day of bizarre harassment across multiple threads and subreddits and multiple social media sites targeting the OP from people here, in which the way people described their actions went from a single questionably judged statement to something bizarrely disproportionate.

For context, Pride in Labour is a small group of volunteers in the Labour Party whose stated purpose as a group is to fight against the anti-trans consensus/to push for the existence of a meaningfully inclusive LGBT+ group within the party that isn't run by fucking monsters (the actual utility/viability of a group like it is very much arguable under these circumstances, but it's what they're trying to do, in theory). People were, instead, treating the OP as though he were some kind of personal embodiment of the entire party, and therefore an acceptable target to take out their frustrations on.

The OP in question pulled his initial thread following the backlash, and expressed significant distress to me (and a desire to disengage from the subreddit) - and the harassment/abuse simply just kept coming. This seems to be another iteration of that.

I had to pull so many comments from those threads under Rule 5, primarily because people couldn't behave. We'd act the same way regarding awful treatment of essentially anybody using this place - and frequently do, usually at their request.

A few examples from amidst the flood, taken from here - there's been a great deal more elsewhere:

Pride in Labour is a joke and failure. [username] is just too blind and egotistical to see that the people he’s supposed to be “supporting” hate him for being a traitorous liar unable to do anything meaningful

Maybe [name] means well, but he's a harmful idiot with an ego the size of a freight train.

Seems I was wrong. They are full on fucking Quislings. [name] has far too large an ego to be leading an organisation that has achieved absolutely fuck all and has done not but continue to harm LGBT relations by continually siding with the people removing their rights.

[name] "means well", if his definition of "well" is the eradication of trans women from society.

How actually fugging dare they. How dare they betray our community, turn against trans and Intersex people and spend YEARS joining up with the opposition mocking and deriving us then to have the gal to think its appropriate to start discussing such a sensitive topic.

stop palling with the people banning us from rape crisis centres then, you fucking traitor

Go fuck yourself labour shill

The character of the stuff I had to pull was, pretty universally, just incredibly disproportionate personal abuse/harassment. It's just a multiple day long dogpile by people who really should know better - given that, of course I've tried to cut it off.

The worst of it took place off-site - the way some of you have been acting elsewhere is genuinely disgusting. At present, people (some of whom I recognise as regulars on this subreddit) are taking screenshots of his face and reposting them at him as way of mocking his appearance, calling him a nazi, a "capo" [sic], describing him as "sounding like a rapist", a "pathetic little creep", and repeatedly posting fecal-themed variations on his name. This isn't in any meaningful sense about "civility politics" or however the fuck you want to frame it - it's just straight-up, unambiguous bullying.

OP posts:
musicalfrog · 04/06/2025 06:27

Why delete comments and then quote them??

I'm utterly lost!

Reddit is a place I dare not tread tbf.

WhatNoRaisins · 04/06/2025 06:32

This just reminds me why I never trust people that police language. They'll turn on you as soon as they get the opportunity.

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 06:38

ArabellaScott · 03/06/2025 22:45

Said chap is currently working hard to try and get a woman 'cancelled', so I don't feel all that sorry for him.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929454489318076439

Interestingly the woman he’s trying to cancel seems to be on the TRA side? Her comment seems to be similar to what PP here have said about David Tennant using JKR for amplification. There’s a delicious irony here

WarriorN · 04/06/2025 06:53

The biggest issue with any tra / trans ally is that they lack critical thinking and discussion skills, frequently turning to abuse when they don’t know how to verbalise the argument or there’s no reasoning to support what they want.

others just delete, silence, no debate when they get to the lack if argument stage.

so it’s entirely inevitable that this sort of thing will happen.

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 06:55

He's also criticising LGBT+ Conservatives for 'not a single woman or trans person'.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929517375512076360

Meanwhile, this is Pride in Labour:

https://www.prideinlabour.org.uk/our-team

Jamie is investing a lot in that one wee wumman. (I didn't look at anyone's pronouns, to be fair, I'm just assuming sex, and that to me looks like a wall of men, and one woman).

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929517375512076360

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 06:59

WarriorN · 04/06/2025 06:53

The biggest issue with any tra / trans ally is that they lack critical thinking and discussion skills, frequently turning to abuse when they don’t know how to verbalise the argument or there’s no reasoning to support what they want.

others just delete, silence, no debate when they get to the lack if argument stage.

so it’s entirely inevitable that this sort of thing will happen.

Is this possibly a sign that they’re turning on “the Labour Party” generally?

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 07:00

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 06:59

Is this possibly a sign that they’re turning on “the Labour Party” generally?

Oh, they have turned a while back. Labour are dead to they/them.

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 07:03

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 06:55

He's also criticising LGBT+ Conservatives for 'not a single woman or trans person'.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929517375512076360

Meanwhile, this is Pride in Labour:

https://www.prideinlabour.org.uk/our-team

Jamie is investing a lot in that one wee wumman. (I didn't look at anyone's pronouns, to be fair, I'm just assuming sex, and that to me looks like a wall of men, and one woman).

And she’s apparently non binary.
Thanks for posting this - what a fantastic example. I bet Jamie claims this is a gender balanced group. And what women could expect from their future if gender self ID were to proceed unchecked. It’s like Jamie’s a time travelling queer misogynist from the 1970s (but without the topless lady calendars)

SionnachRuadh · 04/06/2025 07:16

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 06:55

He's also criticising LGBT+ Conservatives for 'not a single woman or trans person'.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929517375512076360

Meanwhile, this is Pride in Labour:

https://www.prideinlabour.org.uk/our-team

Jamie is investing a lot in that one wee wumman. (I didn't look at anyone's pronouns, to be fair, I'm just assuming sex, and that to me looks like a wall of men, and one woman).

Reminds me of that time Starmer went to Blackpool and had his photo taken supporting "the LGBT community". It was a photo of him surrounded by a bunch of men (presumably gay or bi) and a drag queen. Because he seems unable to have a photocall without a drag queen present.

I doubt if he even noticed what was missing from the picture.

Hoardasurass · 04/06/2025 07:35

CrocsNotDocs · 04/06/2025 00:38

None of these blue-haired loonies have ever read Animal Farm or if they did, they mistook it for a story about furries.

I do love a good circular firing squad.

Nah they read it and 1984 as instruction manuals

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 04/06/2025 07:46

That's what happens when you give unhinged types a free rein, this sort of escalation can't be good, we'll end up with a country full of stroppy kidadults.

TheAutumnCrow · 04/06/2025 08:01

WarriorN · 04/06/2025 06:23

The kefir subreddit is nice but far too complicated.

you just want someone to say “stick it in a cup with a cloth over it, top up and strain daily”

which is more mn style 😁

Oh yes, a bit of bunging, chucking and a quick popping in the fridge, all while being on the phone soothing a teenager/elderly parent/best friend and weeding the garden. All before going to work.

And they wonder why we’re so organised.

WarriorN · 04/06/2025 08:09

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 06:59

Is this possibly a sign that they’re turning on “the Labour Party” generally?

from bits I’ve picked up on they’re heading to the greens and supporting Zack. Which will be the end of the greens.

if anyone wants to support Ellie and Adrian’s leadership bid you can still
join before July and vote for them

StrongasSixpence · 04/06/2025 08:53

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 06:55

He's also criticising LGBT+ Conservatives for 'not a single woman or trans person'.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929517375512076360

Meanwhile, this is Pride in Labour:

https://www.prideinlabour.org.uk/our-team

Jamie is investing a lot in that one wee wumman. (I didn't look at anyone's pronouns, to be fair, I'm just assuming sex, and that to me looks like a wall of men, and one woman).

A couple of the he/hims could possibly be female. It's much easier for women to pass as men, especially after hormones and in photos. No women who know they are women though. No one who identifies as lesbian (except for the males).

This sort of dog pile is very cheering. If I was a politician, I would be thinking there is zero point in even trying to engage these people as you will get screamed at regardless of what you do. Much better to ignore them completely and possibly even ridicule them to win over the majority vote.

EdithStourton · 04/06/2025 08:56

ArabellaScott · 03/06/2025 22:45

Said chap is currently working hard to try and get a woman 'cancelled', so I don't feel all that sorry for him.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929454489318076439

That Azaelia Banks woman he quotes asks if Gen Z reads Harry Potter.

I can assure her that Gen Z lived and breathed HP (and some still do). And that Gen Alpha (as they are apparently called) are now glued to HP in their turn. Go into any primary school and look at what Ys 4-6 are choosing to read.

Meanwhile, watching the Cultural Revolution play out on Reddit will keep us entertained. Let a thousand flowers bloom, and all that.

LeftieRightsHoarder · 04/06/2025 08:59

W-w-what? A traliban mob tearing each other and allies to shreds? Such harmless stunning and brave people — I can’t believe it 😱

EdithStourton · 04/06/2025 09:02

LeftieRightsHoarder · 04/06/2025 08:59

W-w-what? A traliban mob tearing each other and allies to shreds? Such harmless stunning and brave people — I can’t believe it 😱

I know - so shocking and utterly unexpected!

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/06/2025 09:17

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 07:00

Oh, they have turned a while back. Labour are dead to they/them.

😂

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 09:19

StrongasSixpence · 04/06/2025 08:53

A couple of the he/hims could possibly be female. It's much easier for women to pass as men, especially after hormones and in photos. No women who know they are women though. No one who identifies as lesbian (except for the males).

This sort of dog pile is very cheering. If I was a politician, I would be thinking there is zero point in even trying to engage these people as you will get screamed at regardless of what you do. Much better to ignore them completely and possibly even ridicule them to win over the majority vote.

Yes, a couple of the he/hims could be females.

The point was that it seemed I was looking at a page of what look like male faces.

Whether women who've taken hormones and look male, men who've taken hormones and still look male, or bog standard males, it looks like a man-board.

As does the Conservative lot - 11 men.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/06/2025 09:21

ArabellaScott · 04/06/2025 09:19

Yes, a couple of the he/hims could be females.

The point was that it seemed I was looking at a page of what look like male faces.

Whether women who've taken hormones and look male, men who've taken hormones and still look male, or bog standard males, it looks like a man-board.

As does the Conservative lot - 11 men.

Do they also campaign against showering, is that transphobic too? Because I can smell them from here 😂

AlpineMuesli · 04/06/2025 09:29

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 06:38

Interestingly the woman he’s trying to cancel seems to be on the TRA side? Her comment seems to be similar to what PP here have said about David Tennant using JKR for amplification. There’s a delicious irony here

The only side Azealia Banks is on is that of chaos 😂
She is the one ‘celeb’ whose tweets are completely unpredictable. But yes, in the past she has been TRA. Trying to pin her down is futile.

MarieDeGournay · 04/06/2025 09:39

MyAmpleSheep · 03/06/2025 23:42

Kapo: Jewish "policeman" appointed by and given authority by Nazi concentration camp guards to coerce obedience from fellow inmates, in return for less brutality or better food.

Thank you for the explanation.
Just when you think they can't sink any lower, can't appropriate anything more inappropriate, TRAs delve further into the Holocaust to find yet more way of being unbelievably offensive and antisemitic.

KnottyAuty · 04/06/2025 09:50

StrongasSixpence · 04/06/2025 08:53

A couple of the he/hims could possibly be female. It's much easier for women to pass as men, especially after hormones and in photos. No women who know they are women though. No one who identifies as lesbian (except for the males).

This sort of dog pile is very cheering. If I was a politician, I would be thinking there is zero point in even trying to engage these people as you will get screamed at regardless of what you do. Much better to ignore them completely and possibly even ridicule them to win over the majority vote.

100% this. The screaming is the exact opposite tactic which the original trans campaigners used in 2000-2010 to win all their massive gains - all the policy in their favour which happened so fast?! Staggering that this group feel so put-apon that they can't see how much that has been achieved - and that it is their own actions which are their biggest risk?

MassiveWordSalad · 04/06/2025 10:10

AlpineMuesli · 03/06/2025 23:08

This is hilarious. Trying to cancel Azealia Banks on twitter (and many try daily) is like trying to crochet ramen soup. She’s impervious to structure.

Impervious to structure 🤣🤣🤣

GailBlancheViola · 04/06/2025 11:05

ArabellaScott · 03/06/2025 22:45

Said chap is currently working hard to try and get a woman 'cancelled', so I don't feel all that sorry for him.

https://x.com/JamieStrud/status/1929454489318076439

Old, old story they can dish it out but can't take it and as for the moderator funny how they never pull members of that group up on their threats and bullying of anyone outside the sanctified circle.

Hypocrites the whole lot of them.