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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is there any duty for individuals to use the correct single sex spaces, legally speaking?

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MauraLabingi · 03/06/2025 15:06

I understand the EA applies to businesses, organisations etc. They have to ensure the right people use the right toilets.

But say the swimming pool receptionist questions Mandy, who produces a birth certificate saying female (dated two years ago but obviously it could have been reissued for more than one reason). Does the receptionist have to let Mandy in, even though their senses tell them Mandy is male and Mandy has not been able to produce incontrovertible evidence to prove she is female (I understand that the only piece of paper that can now do that is a birth certificate which was issued within weeks of your date of birth)? I may be wrong!

So Mandy gets let in, and women complain that there's a man in the changing rooms. What does the swimming pool do? Mandy still insists Mandy is female. Is Mandy actually committing a crime (not under the EA obviously but under different legislation)?

Would the police sort it out? How would they be able to ascertain Mandy's true sex? If they are able to discover that Mandy is a man, would they prosecute/warn Mandy that it is illegal (if it is)?

Basically, can transwomen just keep trying to get into women's spaces without risk of legal consequence?

Sorry if this has been asked before but I read this board often and I haven't seen it discussed directly.

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ItisntOver · 03/06/2025 19:54

We're certainly in difficulties if trans people are so out of control and unable to follow the law etc as discussed

Agreed. However, I think it’s unusual for

  • people to have been facilitated in acting not only outside the law but positively lauded and affirmed for it
  • so many organisations to announce their intention to continue to facilitate the flouting of the correct interpretation of the law.
MauraLabingi · 03/06/2025 20:21

ItisntOver · 03/06/2025 19:54

We're certainly in difficulties if trans people are so out of control and unable to follow the law etc as discussed

Agreed. However, I think it’s unusual for

  • people to have been facilitated in acting not only outside the law but positively lauded and affirmed for it
  • so many organisations to announce their intention to continue to facilitate the flouting of the correct interpretation of the law.

I think this could be the problem. That to some individuals it feels like acceptable lawbreaking. They may feel that society backs them (echo chamber effect). Is the receptionist's ferocity (or lack of) the only thing between them and the women's changing room? Company policies can't protect the poor receptionist in the firing line because it's just up to the receptionist to decide using their eyes, which is personal perception and easy to argue against. I would not want to be a receptionist!

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/06/2025 22:44

ItisntOver · 03/06/2025 19:54

We're certainly in difficulties if trans people are so out of control and unable to follow the law etc as discussed

Agreed. However, I think it’s unusual for

  • people to have been facilitated in acting not only outside the law but positively lauded and affirmed for it
  • so many organisations to announce their intention to continue to facilitate the flouting of the correct interpretation of the law.

Agreed. This is the first time anyone's said no to transactivists. Until now they've been able to threaten and bully their way into spaces where women and girls are undressed / vulnerable, had free reign to gaslight the nation's children that they could be born in the wrong body that girls have no rights to boundaries if males require access to them along with overturning accepted aspects of society to meet their "niche" demands.
Their fury is real I know.
But it's tough. No more. Get over it and all that.

OneGreyScroller · 04/06/2025 09:18

ItisntOver · 03/06/2025 16:41

Edited

No, it was a full hour long webinar which got far more into the weeds. This issue came up in a Q and A at the end, with someone asking if they can challenge someone who looked trans

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