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Jade Thirlwall leads crowd in anti-JK Rowling chant at LGBTQ+ London music festival

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IwantToRetire · 02/06/2025 18:39

Pop star Jade Thirlwall led a crowd in a chant against author JK Rowling during her set at a London music festival celebrating LGBTQ+ culture.

The former Little Mix member, now performing solo under the name JADE, encouraged thousands of fans at Mighty Hoopla on Saturday to shout “F* J.K. Rowling” from the main stage.

The chant began when Thirlwall shouted “transphobes,” prompting the crowd to respond with “F you.” She then followed with “J.K. Rowling,” and the crowd again replied, “F you.”

Footage of the moment was posted on social media with the caption: “Jade, the legend you are!!!”

More at https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pop-star-jade-thirlwall-leads-151100447.html

Pop star Jade Thirlwall leads crowd in anti-JK Rowling chant at LGBTQ+ London music festival

The former Little Mix singer has a track record of campaigning for LGTBQ+

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pop-star-jade-thirlwall-leads-151100447.html

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SionnachRuadh · 03/06/2025 15:50

Obviously I don't mean JKR, who stuck her neck out for a cause that she's genuinely thought through and feels passionate about, and that, importantly, was an unpopular cause when she took it up.

There are some celebrities who do that, and I'll respect them for it even if I disagree with the cause.

It's not the same as, say, Mark Ruffalo tweeting at bemused Hungarians telling them which way to vote, when nobody believes Ruffalo could find Hungary on a map.

SnoopyPajamas · 03/06/2025 16:55

Cosmosforbreakfast · 03/06/2025 14:24

Sometimes solo careers don't go very well, the has been publicity go to is to jump on the JKR bandwagon. I doubt JKR much cares what a former girl band member has to say about her.

The thing is, JADE has all the ingredients an artist needs for solo success. She's got a confident new look. Her songs are genuinely creative for the pop sphere, while still being the type of pop banger you can sing along to in the shower. Just like Chappell Roan. Her songs are loaded with earworm hooks, and she's got a classic diva belt. She's released videos that are fun and full of eye-catching visuals. She had a much-praised performance at the BRIT Awards, which brought her to a lot of people's attention. And I haven't even mentioned the inbuilt audience she'll have from her years in Little Mix.

It should all be working for her, but somehow, she adds up to less than the sum of her parts. For some reason, audiences aren't buying in. Not at the scale they should be. I suspect it is the drag connection that's been putting people off. She thinks she's Lady Gaga circa Born This Way - but even Gaga has pulled back on the trans schtick, as far as I know.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I know, Gaga mostly pays lip service to the TQ these days, and focuses on putting out pop bangers with that classic avant garde Gaga aesthetic instead. If Gaga ever pulled a stunt like this at a UK concert, she'd take a hit for it. And I think either she or her people know that. She's an icon of pop, and I don't think she really wants to throw it all away and burn herself up on the altar of trans. She wants to be the kind of artist who is beloved by the gays, but can still put out a ballad with Bruno Mars and gets millions of streams from straight fans.

Which is the sensible approach. I don't what's happening in the entertainment industry right now, that so many people seem to have forgotten this basic fact. If you want to be a superstar, you need a broad appeal. You can have a wildly different look, but there has to be a sense that you're inviting your fans in. Whether that's putting themselves in your character's shoes in a movie, or coming along to dance at your show. If you want people to give you their time and money, you extend an invitation and you make them feel welcome. You don't insult large swathes of your audience and tell them to fuck off. All that does is communicate that you don't respect them enough to even try and understand their point of view. You're happy to write them off as caricatures of evil and insult them - in the assumption they'll be so desperate to be in your club, they'll change themselves rather than leave. These celebrities are then so stunned and panicked when fans turn around and walk instead 🤨

I don't know if they're to blame or their management are failing them, but the whole thing has to change. People are setting their careers on fire because they can't read the room. They think Twitter is reality, and they don't realise just how quickly an audience can get the ick. David Tennant learned this the hard way, and Pedro Pascal is about to. But it applies to female artists too, who don't respect that their audience is mostly composed of normie women. We can and will drop you if you disrespect us.

If you can't say something nice, say nothing. And if you can't say nothing, don't be surprised when people stop paying to hear you.

This really does feel like the missing piece to me, that explains why JADE is struggling. Stupid, stupid move. If her management had any sense, they'd be furious.

SionnachRuadh · 03/06/2025 17:16

Oh, definitely the thing about appealing to a broad audience. There are some, mostly male artists who can survive a long time on a rabid niche audience (I remember when Motorhead were so unpopular they were playing village halls), but not if you aspire to be a superstar.

Russell T Davies used to understand this, and then unlearned what he knew. I don't know if it's him growing arrogant and out of touch with age, or being too online, or spending too long in California - I'd be interested to know.

But he used to know that Doctor Who had to try to appeal to everyone, and he even built in romantic tension where it didn't previously exist, to attract a female audience to what used to be a boys' show. And having a broad audience, he could sneak in lots of nods to gay culture. He didn't even have to be very sneaky about it.

But that was 20 years ago. Today he's presiding over a show that's made by camp gay men for camp gay men. There's nothing there to appeal to straight men, or much to appeal to women, or even to masculine gay men or normie gay men. The target audience is camp gay men, blue haired enbies and the subset of straight women who treat camp gay men as purse puppies. He's appealing to maybe 1% of the population and doesn't understand why nobody is watching.

A lot of entertainment industry people are overdue a crash.

SnoopyPajamas · 03/06/2025 17:19

SionnachRuadh · 03/06/2025 15:45

I tend to be quite normie about the artists I like too. Someone once gave me the very good advice that, if you like Stevie Nicks, do NOT subscribe to her Instagram, because she is so up herself it'll put you off her music.

That's not even to mention the artists who believe we need to hear their every thought about the news. Now some of these are artists who haven't done anything in years and feel they need to stay relevant. And there are others who... well, I suppose Mark Hamill is an old man who hasn't done much recently, but on his social media he barely even mentions Star Wars, it's just constant all-caps rants about Trump that make me worry about his mental health.

It's harder to understand those who still have careers thinking that tacking hard to a political cause is the way to win an audience.

Everyone loves Dolly Parton. Have you ever heard Dolly make a political statement that goes beyond general humanitarianism? Does anyone know which way she votes? There's a lesson there.

I couldn't agree more with all this.

I remember a few years ago when Taylor Swift made that documentary, crying about how she wanted to be able to make political posts on social media. Looking back on it now it really does seem like a bizarre artifact from another era. Back then I thought it was so relatable. Of course she wanted to speak up and use her influence for good! Of course she wanted to let her voice be heard!

Now I look back on it and it all seems like silly narcissism. She did more real good donating to food banks on the Eras tour. That's the kind of thing I wish celebrities would do more of. Visit hospitals. Donate to charity. Start a foundation to help kids learn to read, like Dolly Parton did. Or children in orphanages, like JKR. Something real. A "Vote Democrat" tweet really just feeds the celebrity ego, by reassuring everyone they're "on the right side of history". As Taylor said in a later song, it's "covert narcissism dressed up as altruism".

I'd like to see an era where celebrities care less about sharing their opinions with us, and more about doing good with their millions. Navel gazing is already out. Can actual philanthropy come back in? Then maybe celebrities might earn back some of the goodwill they're losing from an increasingly disconnected public.

Stop pretending to be just like us, stop playacting as our moral betters, and try for some humility instead.

SnoopyPajamas · 03/06/2025 17:28

I think this is part of the problem with celebrity activism, is how blatantly self-serving it is. They care about trans because their entire circle of lefty theatre kid types is trans. They attend the Met Gala not because they care about funding the arts, but because social media will buzz about their outfit and it will raise their profile.

We used to laugh at the likes of Bono, and how he was just playing the role of do-gooder to get attention. But at least he was actually funnelling money to causes that needed it, like AIDS initiatives in Africa or orphans with heart conditions in Chernobyl. He was embarrassing but it was less nakedly self-serving. Nowadays celebrities don't even pretend to care about that sort of boring, anonymous cause.

SnoopyPajamas · 03/06/2025 17:33

It has to be something that's already all over social media, that they're being pressured to talk about already, like Gaza. Or something that is "close to their heart" because of "insert PR spiel here".

BundleBoogie · 03/06/2025 17:38

I felt very sorry for the nasty abuse Jade suffered in social media for her looks/weight etc by some nasty bullies.

Now she has decided to become a nasty bully for likes and ‘kudos’. She needs to grow up and take a long hard look at herself.

SionnachRuadh · 03/06/2025 17:38

Pet Shop Boys are apparently very generous charitable donors. I don't know the details, because they've never gone out of their way to publicise it. They just quietly donate to causes they want to support.

Whyonearthwouldyou · 03/06/2025 17:53

thedancingclown · 02/06/2025 19:28

Just find it ironic that someone who has rightfully called out bullying and online trolls is now thinking this is ok. Fair enough if you don’t agree with Jk but leading a chant like that does not really do much for either cause.

This was my immediate thought too. I just can't imagine encouraging a crowd to chant such a thing about anyone. Awful behaviour.

RaininSummer · 03/06/2025 18:29

Never seen her but she really sounds like a charmless fool.

IwantToRetire · 03/06/2025 18:40

She then sells more books, streams more films, sells more games.

In fact she has just gone back up into the top richest people chart or whatever it is called.

And this is after she dropped out of the list having given so much money away.

So that fact she is back shows just how sucessful she is.

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AmadeustheAlpaca · 03/06/2025 18:52

@SionnachRuadh and @SnoopyPajamas
Really enjoyed reading your posts, some very perceptive posts on this thread.

dubaichocolate · 03/06/2025 20:20

It's not the same as, say, Mark Ruffalo tweeting at bemused Hungarians telling them which way to vote, when nobody believes Ruffalo could find Hungary on a map.

This is slightly different but it’s reminded me of Lindsay Lohan being on Twitter the night of the referendum and expressing shock when places like Kettering voted to leave. At least that was entertaining though!

BettyBooper · 03/06/2025 21:07

AmadeustheAlpaca · 03/06/2025 18:52

@SionnachRuadh and @SnoopyPajamas
Really enjoyed reading your posts, some very perceptive posts on this thread.

Agreed! Really interesting, thanks.

Llamasarellovely · 05/06/2025 08:50

SnoopyPajamas · 03/06/2025 17:19

I couldn't agree more with all this.

I remember a few years ago when Taylor Swift made that documentary, crying about how she wanted to be able to make political posts on social media. Looking back on it now it really does seem like a bizarre artifact from another era. Back then I thought it was so relatable. Of course she wanted to speak up and use her influence for good! Of course she wanted to let her voice be heard!

Now I look back on it and it all seems like silly narcissism. She did more real good donating to food banks on the Eras tour. That's the kind of thing I wish celebrities would do more of. Visit hospitals. Donate to charity. Start a foundation to help kids learn to read, like Dolly Parton did. Or children in orphanages, like JKR. Something real. A "Vote Democrat" tweet really just feeds the celebrity ego, by reassuring everyone they're "on the right side of history". As Taylor said in a later song, it's "covert narcissism dressed up as altruism".

I'd like to see an era where celebrities care less about sharing their opinions with us, and more about doing good with their millions. Navel gazing is already out. Can actual philanthropy come back in? Then maybe celebrities might earn back some of the goodwill they're losing from an increasingly disconnected public.

Stop pretending to be just like us, stop playacting as our moral betters, and try for some humility instead.

Agreed. That Ricky Gervais quote springs to mind.
"You're in no position to lecture the public about anything, you know nothing about the real world. Most of you spent less time in school than Greta Thunberg."

TheOtherRaven · 05/06/2025 13:27

SnoopyPajamas · 03/06/2025 17:19

I couldn't agree more with all this.

I remember a few years ago when Taylor Swift made that documentary, crying about how she wanted to be able to make political posts on social media. Looking back on it now it really does seem like a bizarre artifact from another era. Back then I thought it was so relatable. Of course she wanted to speak up and use her influence for good! Of course she wanted to let her voice be heard!

Now I look back on it and it all seems like silly narcissism. She did more real good donating to food banks on the Eras tour. That's the kind of thing I wish celebrities would do more of. Visit hospitals. Donate to charity. Start a foundation to help kids learn to read, like Dolly Parton did. Or children in orphanages, like JKR. Something real. A "Vote Democrat" tweet really just feeds the celebrity ego, by reassuring everyone they're "on the right side of history". As Taylor said in a later song, it's "covert narcissism dressed up as altruism".

I'd like to see an era where celebrities care less about sharing their opinions with us, and more about doing good with their millions. Navel gazing is already out. Can actual philanthropy come back in? Then maybe celebrities might earn back some of the goodwill they're losing from an increasingly disconnected public.

Stop pretending to be just like us, stop playacting as our moral betters, and try for some humility instead.

Quite.

There are celebrities who genuinely do this - I have a great deal of respect for the Beckhams who I've only learned through directly hearing from people involved have quietly and anonymously supported and funded all kinds of things with their main aim to be helping rather than attracting attention to them or the family involved.

SionnachRuadh · 05/06/2025 15:05

TheOtherRaven · 05/06/2025 13:27

Quite.

There are celebrities who genuinely do this - I have a great deal of respect for the Beckhams who I've only learned through directly hearing from people involved have quietly and anonymously supported and funded all kinds of things with their main aim to be helping rather than attracting attention to them or the family involved.

I'm going to offer this as free advice to the next Democratic presidential candidate - cut the celebrities loose. If you're visiting a recycling plant in Pennsylvania, visit the recycling plant and talk to the workers. You don't need to bring Billie Eilish and the Jonas Brothers with you.

I might make an exception for someone like Jennifer Garner, who's a real party stalwart and goes to small events in small towns to drum up support for candidates nobody has ever heard of. But putting zillionaire entertainers on stage and hoping to absorb passive glamour from them - forget about it. One of Joe Biden's redeeming features, before he went senile, was that he didn't care about that stuff.

The inverse applies to the celebs. Find a cause that you care about, and it might be a niche or unpopular cause, and support it quietly. Jesus said, when you pray, pray in secret, instead of making it a spectacle for everyone to see. There's a lot of wisdom in that, and maybe a path to people respecting you if they discover the good you've done quietly.

MarieDeGournay · 05/06/2025 16:26

SionnachRuadh · 05/06/2025 15:05

I'm going to offer this as free advice to the next Democratic presidential candidate - cut the celebrities loose. If you're visiting a recycling plant in Pennsylvania, visit the recycling plant and talk to the workers. You don't need to bring Billie Eilish and the Jonas Brothers with you.

I might make an exception for someone like Jennifer Garner, who's a real party stalwart and goes to small events in small towns to drum up support for candidates nobody has ever heard of. But putting zillionaire entertainers on stage and hoping to absorb passive glamour from them - forget about it. One of Joe Biden's redeeming features, before he went senile, was that he didn't care about that stuff.

The inverse applies to the celebs. Find a cause that you care about, and it might be a niche or unpopular cause, and support it quietly. Jesus said, when you pray, pray in secret, instead of making it a spectacle for everyone to see. There's a lot of wisdom in that, and maybe a path to people respecting you if they discover the good you've done quietly.

May I add Bruce Springsteen to the list of celebs who make donations without making a song and dance about it? And I think George Michael was also quietly generous to people in need.

When I was a child we were taught that when you give to charity "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing" [Matthew 6:3 - I had to look that up, to me it was just Ma & Da 24:7Smile ] and crowing about how generous you are takes the shine off the gesture. I suppose my parents would have called it 'virtue signalling', if that phrase had been around then.

There's a saying in Irish:
Is minic paidrín fada ag peacaí - a sinner often says a long Rosary

and I was intrigued to find a similar Yiddish one:
Vos noenter tsu der shul, alts vayter fun Got.
The closer to the synagogue, the farther from God.

SionnachRuadh · 05/06/2025 16:28

George Michael had a well earned reputation for being quietly generous.

His formative influences would have been the Greek Orthodox Church and the Young Communist League, so make of that what you will.

MintChocCat · 05/06/2025 21:06

I am due to see JADE at All Points East in Aug, but massively put off her now after this stunt

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