Page 3 | Barry Wall’s grift

Yelllowtail · 28/05/2025 12:45

Helleofabore · 27/05/2025 10:32

So he was a TRA? But he is not a TRA now?

And he runs an education service that I presume people fully investigate before signing up for and pay?

What are the arguments against him exactly? Am I missing something? He is a man who has opinions, who is now campaigning around homosexual male people's needs where there might be cross over with female people's needs, but not always. And he runs a small business delivering educational sessions.

Is the issue that he works in the field of EDI? Because surely EDI that shows balance can still be a good thing. And he was always up front about it.

I was a huge fan of Ru Paul's drag race and Trans rights up until 6 years ago. Now I'm a fully fledged Terf. Opinions change. Men and women are members of his Warrior Teacher programme, not just women. Love every meeting and have learnt a great deal.

JamieCannister · 28/05/2025 13:13

Shedmistress · 28/05/2025 12:14

Are you saying he needed to be explicit that he did not mean all straight women, or are you saying that straight women are not the biggest problem for gay men? (I am assuming he said 'gay men' and you misstyped when you said 'gay people')

I didn't mistype - I cut and pasted his words.

I'm saying again that attacking a woman, by misrepresenting her, posting a video and not giving her a heads up, or a right of reply, saying he is going to get legal advice inferring that he needs legal advice after her response, and then calling her evil is a fight he started.

And in the aftermath it appears he thinks straight women are a threat to gay people and being that he said that in 2019, and is still saying it now, is another man having a pop at women who were in this long before he was.

I do think I've said that enough times now for you to get it!

I am sick of seeing week after week, men taking women down. I am allowed to be sick to the back teeth of men and their behaviour towards women which appears to be relentless. Maybe I should run a sweepstake on which 'nice bloke' will crack next weekend.

I disagree entirely. I have gone back and looked again. It all started when Venice said "Sorry but this would be absurd, it’s a shite TV show and EHRC should stick to serious stuff" as if the idea that gay men are bigots for not dating women is not serious.

It escalated when Venice entirely dismissed a gay man's perspective and experience of straight women in gay spaces. And Barry explicitly said "She's a predator, hard though that is to face, for they are rare. They are incredibly rare, but you are way off Venice..." in order to make it clear he was referring to a tiny minority. Venice dismissed his experience in a way that is just as appalling as if he'd turned around to women and said "it's only a toilet, no need to worry about the odd man in there, most are harmless".

I could go on, but nothing I have seen reflects well on Venice.

JamieCannister · 28/05/2025 13:23

BackToLurk · 28/05/2025 12:42

Men tend to behave in very male ways whether they are trans identifying men, gay men or other types of men. I think there is a bit of a tendency for some women to cut some gay men the slack they wouldn’t even cut other women.

That said, if people want to give 60 quid to Barry for what looks a lot like telling them what they want to hear, they can. Wish id thought of it.

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I can assure you that the truth is that the content is a very long way from "telling them what they want to hear". You might be surprised how relatively little is about the specifics of TQ+ in 2025, and how much is about the bigger picture and 20th century history, politics, psychology and philosophy.

JamieCannister · 28/05/2025 13:24

Yelllowtail · 28/05/2025 12:45

I was a huge fan of Ru Paul's drag race and Trans rights up until 6 years ago. Now I'm a fully fledged Terf. Opinions change. Men and women are members of his Warrior Teacher programme, not just women. Love every meeting and have learnt a great deal.

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I was not a fan of RuPaul, but have enjoyed drag in the distant past. Other than that I agree with your post 100%

Maaate · 28/05/2025 14:08

Trans ideology affects gay men in different ways to women and the men have every right to speak up about it. I really don't see why it's an issue.

FWIW I think that that TV show is pretty disgraceful too

UrsulasHerbBag · 28/05/2025 14:10

Opinions change absolutely and thank god they do. There does seem to be a few men that have crept into the GC landscape and monetised their experience, more power to them if women want to give them their money. It’s not really grifting if they are happy with the WhatsApp chats and reading lists they are given. All good.
The basics of the anrgument are that he put up a video accusing Venice of saying something she didn’t without tagging her in or giving her a right to reply. She took it badly and called him some shitty names, she got called some pretty shitty names back by his male followers and a few women who thought Venice should be kind. Oh and she got accused of being a coward and her motherhood questioned which was pretty low.
Venice is not a coward. Her point was that it was pretty pointless getting the EHRC involved in a trashy bbc3 show as it basically isn’t their remit and won’t do any good. I agree with her and she’s not a coward.

JamieCannister · 28/05/2025 14:33

UrsulasHerbBag · 28/05/2025 14:10

Opinions change absolutely and thank god they do. There does seem to be a few men that have crept into the GC landscape and monetised their experience, more power to them if women want to give them their money. It’s not really grifting if they are happy with the WhatsApp chats and reading lists they are given. All good.
The basics of the anrgument are that he put up a video accusing Venice of saying something she didn’t without tagging her in or giving her a right to reply. She took it badly and called him some shitty names, she got called some pretty shitty names back by his male followers and a few women who thought Venice should be kind. Oh and she got accused of being a coward and her motherhood questioned which was pretty low.
Venice is not a coward. Her point was that it was pretty pointless getting the EHRC involved in a trashy bbc3 show as it basically isn’t their remit and won’t do any good. I agree with her and she’s not a coward.

That is a pretty balanced post, IMO. Fair.

I think "whatsapp chats and reading list" is a pretty fair basic summary of Barry's course... but it is also selling it short! He is a professional teacher / educator and teaches a course he has devised and written.

I would not call her a coward, but seeing (as I did as part of looking into the spat) the way she talks about not challenging her kids school lowered my opinion of her. (Note - I said "the way she talks about not challenging her kids school" not "the fact that she does not challenge her kids school")

Toseland · 29/05/2025 01:29

Barry is watching what EDI is up to, which is very handy for all of us. I do wonder why these groups have been set up in many, many companies. The pay for these roles is excessive. I honestly think they are sleeper cells.

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Warriorwomen · 29/05/2025 04:17

There is something weird about a man charging women to teach them to become warriors. If a woman needs to pay Barry £60 per month to learn from the “head warrior” about how to become a warrior, then she’s presumably timid, naive, biddable and not at all likely to ever become a warrior. Meanwhile Venice is a warrior and Barry doesn’t like this.

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CassOle · 29/05/2025 09:03

I thought the programme was called 'warrior teachers' and that it was open to people of both sexes?

JamieCannister · 29/05/2025 09:06

Warriorwomen · 29/05/2025 04:17

There is something weird about a man charging women to teach them to become warriors. If a woman needs to pay Barry £60 per month to learn from the “head warrior” about how to become a warrior, then she’s presumably timid, naive, biddable and not at all likely to ever become a warrior. Meanwhile Venice is a warrior and Barry doesn’t like this.

Firstly, he is charging men and women, not just women.

Secondly, I would love you to hear some of the women on the course explain what the course has done from them, and what they have acheived since starting the course, and watch you repeat to their face that they are "timid, naive, biddable and not at all likely to ever become a warrior".

There is a massive irony in your last sentence, as well as a lie. Without wishing to put words in his mouth I am pretty damn certain Barry appreciates Venice's work, and the work of anyone fighting CSJ / woke bravely like Venice is. But the irony is this. Arguably the main literal point of the course is to help people fight back against woke / CSJ / TQ+ in their workplace, or their gym or their home or their kid's school. Whilst Barry is trying to ensure as many people as possible have the tools to challenge their kid's school, Venice is taking the opposite approach. She has chosen (and I for one do not blame her one bit for her choice) to NOT challenge her kid's school (and fight for every kid there), and instead rely on her parenting to ensure that her kids don't get sucked into TQ+ ideology. I can only emphasize that I do not in any way blame her for her choice, I do not claim to be more of a warrior than Venice, I do claim that Venice is a brave public campaigner who deserves our support... but the idea that she is a "warrior" [who chooses not to fight her kids school], whilst the people who have signed up to a course to help them fight back are "timid, naive, biddable and not at all likely to ever become a warrior" is just bonkers.

Yelllowtail · 29/05/2025 11:47

Warriorwomen · 29/05/2025 04:17

There is something weird about a man charging women to teach them to become warriors. If a woman needs to pay Barry £60 per month to learn from the “head warrior” about how to become a warrior, then she’s presumably timid, naive, biddable and not at all likely to ever become a warrior. Meanwhile Venice is a warrior and Barry doesn’t like this.

I would snap back with an eloquent and pithy reply but I'm too timid, naïve and biddable apparently. So, I'll hide under my duvet until someone rescues me.

Sazzasez · 29/05/2025 23:37

I had a 1-1 phone chat with Barry a few years ago, put onto him by someone I respect who clearly found him massively impressive.
I found him OK, but (after 35 years in education around the world) rather teaching his granny to suck eggs.
Very enthusiastic about a couple of ideas which seemed to be a whole lot newer to him than they were to me.
Having said that, I know at least one teacher who did his programme & felt she benefited.
He’s entertaining on Twitter but a bit of a panicker - and not, I’d say, much at ease with strong or decisive women.
I think it’s bad manners to do a video about someone without letting them know. But hardly a serious matter.

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Warriorwomen · 30/05/2025 05:44

I follow him on Twitter and he’s certainly not very insightful. Maybe he keeps all his brilliant points for his warrior classes? Because all I see on Twitter is a keyboard warrior who is not very well informed and often leaps to wild conclusions

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CassOle · 30/05/2025 08:56

I don't understand why you follow him if you don't like him or what he has to say?

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Warriorwomen · 30/05/2025 21:38

lol I follow loads of people I don’t like!

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PotteringPondering · 30/05/2025 22:32

I have no views on Barry W, because I don't know enough about him.

But I do follow Venice on X, and saw her reference to 'his sweaty fat pig face' on 26 May.

Venice did herself no favours by sinking to abusive comments on his appearance. By all means, critique the guy's ideas or methods, but saying somebody has a sweaty fat pig face is just vile. And it tells the world that you have no actual arguments.

Shedmistress · 31/05/2025 07:33

PotteringPondering · 30/05/2025 22:32

I have no views on Barry W, because I don't know enough about him.

But I do follow Venice on X, and saw her reference to 'his sweaty fat pig face' on 26 May.

Venice did herself no favours by sinking to abusive comments on his appearance. By all means, critique the guy's ideas or methods, but saying somebody has a sweaty fat pig face is just vile. And it tells the world that you have no actual arguments.

She'd already made her argument before he posted a video about her misrepresenting that point, didn't give her the heads up or indeed, let her respond so she has every right to respond as she sees fit. If someone made a video about you, misrepresenting your point and not even telling you, and not allowing you to respond you might think they were a big of a pig as well.

As I said, I fully supported Barry for years. So you cannot just take one interaction as Venice having no argument. That's the point, she did have one, he just decided to completely misinterpret it and go off on one.

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Warriorwomen · 01/06/2025 05:28

Barry is always doing this @Shedmistress , he often goes off on one without anything to back it up. He can be funny but it’s destructive and he’s unreliable. I’m astonished people would give good money to be taught by such an unreliable person

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IDontHateRainbows · 01/06/2025 08:07

Warriorwomen · 29/05/2025 04:17

There is something weird about a man charging women to teach them to become warriors. If a woman needs to pay Barry £60 per month to learn from the “head warrior” about how to become a warrior, then she’s presumably timid, naive, biddable and not at all likely to ever become a warrior. Meanwhile Venice is a warrior and Barry doesn’t like this.

Reminds me of that old joke about assertiveness courses... if they don't work no one will dare ask for their money back.

KareenaQueena · 26/09/2025 23:17

Warriorwomen · 27/05/2025 08:16

It’s just come to light through Venice Allen that Barry Wall has been charging women £60 per month for zoom classes on how to be a warrior woman?! Did anyone here give him money? He was a trans rights activist and Venice has the receipts that show he has been been hostile towards women
x.com/roseveniceallan/status/1926934164701393248?s=46

Barry teaches a course on honing critical thinking skills and how to combat CRT and 'transgender' ideology. He's a gay man fighting for his rights as a gay man. He's no TRA.

Also Venice turned on women who challenged her insults and accusations on Barry, telling them to f*ck off for calling her hypocrisy out. She told women off for paying for a service. Don't women get told enough what to do...yet she felt it happy enough to do the same.

Venice is a hypocrite.

spainiac · 27/09/2025 06:15

Venice is a hypocrite.

Absolutely agree with this.

Barry's done far more for women than that useless attention seeker.

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Warriorwomen · 27/09/2025 07:23

No way is Venice Allen an attention seeker. She’s great

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KareenaQueena · 27/09/2025 09:24

It is worth noting how she treated women who want to further understand how we came to be in such a mess with identity politics ruining girls and womens rights and LGB rights. And if we pay to do an online course, so what.

She isn't exempt from criticism.
She certainly dishes it out herself to other prominent activists. Venice has criticised mums who challenge their child's school for affirming 'trans' nonsense. It's really difficult for parents and instead of remaining neutral because (as she said herself) she wouldn't complain to the school, she chose to vilify the mums who do.
Bloody cheek.

terryleather · 27/09/2025 15:30

spainiac · 27/09/2025 06:15

Venice is a hypocrite.

Absolutely agree with this.

Barry's done far more for women than that useless attention seeker.

I don't give a flying fuck through a rolling donut about twitter spats but saying that BW has done more for women than VA is just ridiculous.

VA organised the We Need To Talk meetings that were held around the country during 2017/2018. These talks were crucial in developing the grassroots resistance to genderism and the proposed self ID legislation that was being mooted at the time.

Not sure what BW was contributing at that point or subsequently that would have had as big an influence.