Is there a name for this?

[Confusedpleaseeducateme]

Pardon my ignorance. But can anyone help? Genuine question. Just a NC

I say that I'm GC as I don't believe you can change sex. However I strongly believe you should go where your genitals match. E. G. If you've COMPLETELY transitioned then use that toilet.
By all means say you're a different gender (and I'll just roll my eyes internally) but personally I don't have a problem if a true TW uses the ladies facilities. I just don't want to share female spaces with a penis!

I don't believe TWAW. I believe they are TW.

Does that make sense? Please be gentle... First time posting on this board but been reading a long time but don't recall seeing anyone saying anything about this? But I could just be being dull... Menopausal brain!

The problem here lies in the existing law (because the EA 2010 is not new) being misinterpreted by lobby groups, because your acquaintance who accepts being biologically female should never have been using opposite sex facilities. The side issue is resolved by them saying they are female in the (probably unlikely) scenario they are challenged, or using a single space closed door bathroom in eg Costa.

A very large proportion of male violence, including violence against women, does not involve the use of the penis.

As has been pointed out already on this thread, just because a male person has no penis to rape with that doesn’t mean that they cannot commit other sex offences including sexual assault, and it doesn’t mean they have lost their male physical advantage including grip strength and punch power.

With grip strength and punch power alone, ie not even considering height and arm length, why is any person trying to dismiss female people’s need to have space away from these male people.

There is no evidence that criminality is reduced to the level of a female person or even below the level of a male person. Yet people have this false perception that this group of male people don’t pose a risk because they cannot commit rape.

It is fallacious thinking that is based in falsehoods and misinformation.

Well this person will no doubt keep using the gents. We can't police every single toilet and everyone who enters. If they magically pass, they are likely to get away with it, partly because men are not so bothered about women in their spaces. But they could be stopped eg in a work environment.

Waiting lists for sex reassignment surgery are up to a life sentence in length already. That is a vanishingly small window of opportunity for anyone who isn't rich or didn't transition a long time ago when the NHS was functionally able to provide trans healthcare.

The Telegraph ran an article the other day calling for all gender-affirming surgery to be banned. This seems to be a major new direction of travel for the 'I just have reasonable concerns' brigade now that they have blocked and then banned treatment for trans youth, are halfway through banning treatment for adults, have effectively banned trans people from public and workplace single sex facilities, have sabotaged the provision for full legal recognition required by the UK's adherence to the EU's human rights conventions via the back door, and are now openly pouring millions into anti-trans legal funds.

It seems likely that for the vast majority of trans people in the UK, this will not be an option. I am counting my lucky stars that I was able to get treatment decades ago at a young age, before reactionary anti-trans activism gained such a devastating foothold on our politics and healthcare systems.

Who knows - we may have used the same toilets before. Prior to the 2017 strategic pivot by the evangelist far right in the US away from gay marriage and toward trans rights, which started flooding the UK's tiny anti-trans activism scene with influence and funding, very few people had been radicalised toward a mindset that would drive them to actively seek out and target trans people. It's a desperately sad state of affairs that we find ourselves in today.

Some seek to blame Theresa May's pledge to consult on GRA reform; that certainly seems to have served as a rallying call that united the far right with otherwise left-leaning anti-trans strains of feminism, and gave the movement its current momentum.

I'm not so sure, though - I think the post-GRA reform consultation surge was a symptom, rather than a cause.

I hope we can move on from the ridiculous EHRC overstep that sees trans people effectively segregated from the rest of the population, exiled from male and female facilities and trapped in a constant prison of fear and uncertainty just for trying to live their lives in the safest way possible for them. It has brought immense confusion and harm already to so many, and is drawing intense international scrutiny and abject horror in many cases - including from the UN itself.

Given that your surgery is irreversible, it's just as well you don't regret it.

That doesn't mean that younger vulnerable people shouldn't be spared your fate.

Transpeople have not been banned from anything.

What a lot of drama and hyperbole.

Women and lesbians are able to say no to men. That's it. That's all.

There's barely a day that goes by where I don't thank my lucky stars for having existed at a young age during the brief window where the UK was only a moderately, rather than intensely, hostile place to exist as a trans person.

I notice Labour still is refusing to release the full stats on harm since treatment was effectively banned for trans young people.

'Hostile' being in actual fact women's rights, child safeguarding and medical ethics.

Oh please 😂 ! A country where you can get a GRC on simple request, and gender-affirming surgeries fully funded by the NHS, is not in any way "intensely hostile".

Do you understand that the world does not revolve around trans people?

Theresa May's plan on gender self-id was a watershed moment but don't forget the impact of the Karen White case. He showed the entire country the cruel outcome of forcing women to accommodate men who call themselves women.

With a seven year lead-in and a wait time equivalent to a life sentence in prison on surgical transition.

Well, yeah, that's what happens when you offer surgeries to bazillions of people who don't need them. Remove from the waiting list all the kids who suffer from things entirely other than gender dysphoria, and you'll find that the waiting time magically reduces for those few adults who really have GD.

And please don't use hyperbole such as "life sentence in prison". I've been there, having to wait for my surgery. It wasn't anything like being in prison.

Nonsense, the issue is that Stonewall pivoted to trans rights in 2014 because it had secured gay marriage and needed a new campaign. And given the huge support for LGB and Stonewall back then, and how keen businesses and organisations were to appease Stonewall, they just accepted everything Stonewall said about trans inclusivity, even where it was clearly controversial. No one was consulted on any of this and women started to wake up to the impact on us and began to fight back. This has NOTHING to do with US evangelicals or right wingers. Kellie Jay Keane, Julie Bindel, Suzanne Moore etc were home grown, not influenced by the USA. In fact, attempts to retain women's spaces was strongest here in the UK - we are not called 'Terf Island' for nothing! The trans mantra of "no debate" and calling anyone who wanted to discuss women's rights "transphobic" pushed women to group and campaign on our own. Basically trans activists have overreached.

I'm not sure the whole 'claim to be the sole defenders of Women's Rights and present an artificial "my way or the highway" zero-sum game' thing is fooling many people anymore.

You could get away with it when you didn't have crowing bigots doing victory laps over trans people's exile from public existence, sneering and body-policing their way through photos of desperate women expressing their grief in public in the same way that has been done many times before by feminist movements for decades.

Pretty hard to defend the overt white supremacist arguments that are spilling left, right and centre from the social media messaging sieve now.

Pretty hard to defend the omissions and refusals to release the harm stats for trans young people following the complete removal of all hope they had for healthcare. You may wish to familiarise yourself with the content of the excellent Utah report released recently.

Genuinely starting to enjoy these impotent scoldings, especially after the SC win.

It is getting harder and harder to know what you are on about

@ButterflyHatched

"sneering and body-policing their way through photos of desperate women expressing their grief in public in the same way that has been done many times before by feminist movements for decades."

Please tell me this isn't about the angry topless protests...

It usually boils down to 'you must pretend that humans can change sex, or you are evil'.

I guess that "artificial "my way or the highway" zero-sum game' thing" is todays way of reprimanding us for not pretending.

The "crowing bigots doing victory laps", "overt white supremacist arguments" and "harm stats for trans young people" is todays flavour of why we are evil.

It doesn't matter if we pretend or not; humans can't change sex. Butterfly is at war with biological reality. All the lies in the world can't help with that.

Have you seen the men with their tops off, boobs on display this weekend and last? Do you think we will ever willingly agree to share our spaces with them? https://x.com/GerryKeogh_/status/1926622168000983489

The 'many times before' will refer to the French feminists who have done topless protests previously.

Yup... Totally the same thing...

desperate women expressing their grief in public

Is that the feel they were aiming for? It's a bit of a mismatch with how it comes across, tbh.