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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have I completely misunderstood GCSE biology...

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proximalhumerous · 23/05/2025 18:15

...or is the purpose of spotting an anomaly not specifically to disregard it in order that it doesn't lead to an inaccurate conclusion?

If so, why is everyone fixating on DSDs as "proof" that sex is a spectrum, when the anomalous 1.7% (if indeed it is as high as that - from what I've read that figure is only achieved if you include conditions such as PCOS which have a tenuous claim at best to be one of the "intersex" variations) is clearly a set of results that don't fit. Because something has deviated from the norm. It's not like calculating the mean of a range of heights, FFS.

Please can someone more scientific than me explain what is going on here? Or is it simply that certain factions are so hell-bent on arguing that anyone with ladyfeels can be a woman they're happy to completely disregard any sort of science or logic in order to do so?

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Igneococcus · 14/11/2025 19:15

A person's sex is not determined by the ability to reproduce, as those who can't, prove

What is its purpose?

Cappuccinosisters · 14/11/2025 19:16

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 16:43

Which aren't?

Ovotesticular syndrome is an example of a dsd which can make sex assignment challenging in at least some cases. It really is ‘assignment’ sometimes.

HaddyAbrams · 14/11/2025 19:17

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:12

@HaddyAbrams
Obviously you didn't read it

Except I did. Maybe you can explain to me what I clearly don't understand.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2025 19:19

Poor old Anteater.
Born from a woman like every other person on this planet. Yet trying (and failing) to argue that sex isn't binary.

Still - a bit of company for the Midnight Howler when he arrives.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:21

@HaddyAbrams
Well, let's start with the recording of judicial FACT that Y has no sex markers......as opposed to what YOU suggested

Waitwhat23 · 14/11/2025 19:23

And why, according to the press release, one judge expressed a concurring opinion and the other expressed a dissenting opinion. Which are annexed to the judgement. In French.

Now I want to read the bloody thing!

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:23

@MrsOvertonsWindow
No, I'm not the WHO or the global medical scientific community.
I agree with them, though, when they state that sex is not a strict binary.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:26

@Waitwhat23

Excellent. Now go round to your nearest university and ask either the law or medical librarian to give you access on their licences. Then you can read it as many times as you like.

Or, you could just get a translation of the full Decision from French

(The dissention was as to whether the neutral birth certificate should be Ordered. Not the Facts.....which are clearly set out.)

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:28

@Igneococcus
You seem to be confusing the purpose of existence with determination of any individual's sex.
Not the same thing

Waitwhat23 · 14/11/2025 19:29

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:26

@Waitwhat23

Excellent. Now go round to your nearest university and ask either the law or medical librarian to give you access on their licences. Then you can read it as many times as you like.

Or, you could just get a translation of the full Decision from French

(The dissention was as to whether the neutral birth certificate should be Ordered. Not the Facts.....which are clearly set out.)

Surely it would be much easier for you to summarise briefly why one judge concurred and one dissented? Since you've read it....

Oh yes, and please let me know which licence, so I know which one to ask about at my local university...

Helleofabore · 14/11/2025 19:29

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 18:50

@Helleofabore

You may have anger problems, however....if YOU don't LIKE how the WHO present the global medical position, write to them.

Frankly, I don't care what you like or don't

You seem to be attributing my posts to anger.

Is that because I swear? really?

That is hilarious. You seem to have your very own issues to sort through.

And again, you have plopped down a number that doesn’t say what you want that number to say. You can keep up with repeating it and repeating that we should write to some agency or other. Your statement lacks coherency.

Igneococcus · 14/11/2025 19:30

Did we go through another one of those portals? Who goes to a university library to look at things in 2025?
I leave you brave souls to battle this stupidity, I promised ds I'll watch Vox Machina with him and it will almost certainly make more sense.

Igneococcus · 14/11/2025 19:32

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:28

@Igneococcus
You seem to be confusing the purpose of existence with determination of any individual's sex.
Not the same thing

Evolution only cares about viable and fertile offspring but I assume that is just another thing you don't understand.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 19:36

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:11

@Bangbangwhizzbang

Wouldn't it be better for you to actually read something about human biology and the various specialisms within medical science, rather than asking silly questions?

Since Sax isn't a developmental biologist your reference can't be relevant to him.

I've no interest in spiders or pumpkins. But , whatever keeps you happy.

A person's sex is not determined by the ability to reproduce, as those who can't, prove

You do know human biology is just a subset of biology? That humans are not unique when it comes to sex? That sex is very much the specialism of developmental biologists and not doctors?

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 19:39

Cappuccinosisters · 14/11/2025 19:16

Ovotesticular syndrome is an example of a dsd which can make sex assignment challenging in at least some cases. It really is ‘assignment’ sometimes.

There are differing types of OT-DSD, each of which can be defined as male or female

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 19:41

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:23

@MrsOvertonsWindow
No, I'm not the WHO or the global medical scientific community.
I agree with them, though, when they state that sex is not a strict binary.

On the other hand I AM part of the global scientific community and I know you are talking 💩. Sex is binary, even in hermaphroditic organisms. There are just two gamete types. Sex is not based on hair length or height or the presence of a skirt or the sry gene that you read about a few hours ago for the first time or any other feature that men might wish to adopt in order to pretend they have changed sex.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:41

@TheKeatingFive
And there are people born with NO gonadal tissues whatsoever, producing NO sex hormone, and developing NO sex markers

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 19:44

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:41

@TheKeatingFive
And there are people born with NO gonadal tissues whatsoever, producing NO sex hormone, and developing NO sex markers

Evidence? Not from Wikipedia 😂

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:44

@Bangbangwhizzbang to try to bring you back to the real world.....leaving aside those personal assertions which are gratuitously silly.....
Please identify JUST ONE medical oversight body that agrees with you, together with the link to whether they assert such a thing.

Just one.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 14/11/2025 19:49

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:44

@Bangbangwhizzbang to try to bring you back to the real world.....leaving aside those personal assertions which are gratuitously silly.....
Please identify JUST ONE medical oversight body that agrees with you, together with the link to whether they assert such a thing.

Just one.

Come on now @Bangbangwhizzbang
How can you say "gratuitously silly" things like: "Sex is binary, even in hermaphroditic organisms. There are just two gamete types. Sex is not based on hair length or height or the presence of a skirt or the sry gene that you read about a few hours ago for the first time or any other feature that men might wish to adopt in order to pretend they have changed sex". 😂😂😂

Please return back to the real world where men birth all the babies and all women have a penis.

Comedy gold this thread is.

BettyBooper · 14/11/2025 19:51

Dr. Colin Wright is an evolutionary biology PhD, Manhattan Institute Fellow. He also says @Anteater1 is talking shite.

Sex as a Spectrum
While claims that there are “more than two sexes” are common, the most frequent challenge against the binary nature of sex asserts that sex is a “spectrum” (Ainsworth, 2015; Fuentes, 2025). On this view, “male” and “female” are not distinct biological categories, but theoretical endpoints of a continuous distribution that individuals can only ever statistically approximate. This model entails that individuals can only be described in degrees of maleness and femaleness, rather than strictly male or female. The primary evidence invoked to support the spectrum model is the existence of disorders/differences in sex development (DSDs) (Sax, 2002), including forms of genital or gonadal atypicality, often presented visually along a continuum from “typical female” to “typical male.”

However, the existence of such conditions does not undermine the binary nature of sex, because the sex binary does not entail that every individual can be unambiguously categorized as male or female. Rather, the claim is that in anisogamous organisms there are only two gamete types, sperm and ova, and thus only two sexes. Sexual ambiguity is not a third or intermediate sex because developmental variation does not correspond to producing new gamete types...

...Across anisogamous taxa, males and females are defined by gametic dimorphism. Proposals to redefine sex in terms of karyotypes, secondary sexual characteristics, behavior, or other correlates are incoherent and invariably presuppose this foundation, because the categories “male” and “female” are intelligible only by reference to sperm and ova.'

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:52

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Would you like to try?

Please provide the details of JUST ONE medical oversight body that agrees with you or asserts that humans are a strict binary, together with a link to such an assertion.

Just one

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:56

@BettyBooper

Thank you for jumping in. Dr Wright is NOT a medical oversight body.

Would you like to provide JUST ONE medical oversight body that states humans to be a strict binary?

It's a simple question

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 19:57

@Anteater1 please provide details of just one global scientific oversight body that unanimously states that the world is not a teatray standing on the top of four large turtles?

See, you can’t!

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 19:57

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 19:52

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Would you like to try?

Please provide the details of JUST ONE medical oversight body that agrees with you or asserts that humans are a strict binary, together with a link to such an assertion.

Just one

Why would the MPTS be making pronouncements on biology?

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