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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Have I completely misunderstood GCSE biology...

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proximalhumerous · 23/05/2025 18:15

...or is the purpose of spotting an anomaly not specifically to disregard it in order that it doesn't lead to an inaccurate conclusion?

If so, why is everyone fixating on DSDs as "proof" that sex is a spectrum, when the anomalous 1.7% (if indeed it is as high as that - from what I've read that figure is only achieved if you include conditions such as PCOS which have a tenuous claim at best to be one of the "intersex" variations) is clearly a set of results that don't fit. Because something has deviated from the norm. It's not like calculating the mean of a range of heights, FFS.

Please can someone more scientific than me explain what is going on here? Or is it simply that certain factions are so hell-bent on arguing that anyone with ladyfeels can be a woman they're happy to completely disregard any sort of science or logic in order to do so?

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lifeinthelastlane · 14/11/2025 09:46

The words 'male, female, man, woman' all predate ANY understanding of biology by thousands of years. Humanity used these words when it was no more scientific than putting a label on someone met based upon the clothes they were wearing at the time.
So centuries ago when a human knew the difference between a wolf and a tiger, this was based on zero understanding that the two were different creatures? You don't think people could have an understanding of biological differences long before they had the term "biology" to apply to them?

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 09:48

Next they will be saying, that despite china being a cradle of agricultural innovation thousands of years ago they somehow didn’t know about sex until it was imposed on them by the west, or something equally racist.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:50

It appears not.

Anyone who suggests only people assigned female at birth can get pregnant are wrong.

I usually recommend reading about biology and also considering the sex assignment systems in various other countries that have progressed to keep up to date with medical understanding.

In many nations, including Germany, Canada, India, Malta etc etc...there are options to properly record that some people simply cannot be determined as definitely male or female at birth.
Some are genetically and phenotype BOTH, or NEITHER .

So, Germany for example has a "Diverse" category. Other nations use "x".

Even the groups FWS and Sex Matters when replying to recent EHRC consultation could not provide a definition of what made someone male or female, instead just saying that they rejected the notion of "assigned at birth" because it isn't always right.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 09:52

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:50

It appears not.

Anyone who suggests only people assigned female at birth can get pregnant are wrong.

I usually recommend reading about biology and also considering the sex assignment systems in various other countries that have progressed to keep up to date with medical understanding.

In many nations, including Germany, Canada, India, Malta etc etc...there are options to properly record that some people simply cannot be determined as definitely male or female at birth.
Some are genetically and phenotype BOTH, or NEITHER .

So, Germany for example has a "Diverse" category. Other nations use "x".

Even the groups FWS and Sex Matters when replying to recent EHRC consultation could not provide a definition of what made someone male or female, instead just saying that they rejected the notion of "assigned at birth" because it isn't always right.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

This is absolute nonsense

Definition of being female - body develops around the production of large gametes.

Definition of being male - body develops around the production of small gametes

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 09:55

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:50

It appears not.

Anyone who suggests only people assigned female at birth can get pregnant are wrong.

I usually recommend reading about biology and also considering the sex assignment systems in various other countries that have progressed to keep up to date with medical understanding.

In many nations, including Germany, Canada, India, Malta etc etc...there are options to properly record that some people simply cannot be determined as definitely male or female at birth.
Some are genetically and phenotype BOTH, or NEITHER .

So, Germany for example has a "Diverse" category. Other nations use "x".

Even the groups FWS and Sex Matters when replying to recent EHRC consultation could not provide a definition of what made someone male or female, instead just saying that they rejected the notion of "assigned at birth" because it isn't always right.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

You are certainly leading the way on scientific illiteracy.

It also seems it is not just your own linked articles you haven’t read, but also this thread. The fact transideologists are forcing corruption of the official registers in many countries, does not change the fact all humans are male or female including all those with DSD. Sex is defined by gamete type and there are only two gamete types.

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 09:56

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:50

It appears not.

Anyone who suggests only people assigned female at birth can get pregnant are wrong.

I usually recommend reading about biology and also considering the sex assignment systems in various other countries that have progressed to keep up to date with medical understanding.

In many nations, including Germany, Canada, India, Malta etc etc...there are options to properly record that some people simply cannot be determined as definitely male or female at birth.
Some are genetically and phenotype BOTH, or NEITHER .

So, Germany for example has a "Diverse" category. Other nations use "x".

Even the groups FWS and Sex Matters when replying to recent EHRC consultation could not provide a definition of what made someone male or female, instead just saying that they rejected the notion of "assigned at birth" because it isn't always right.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

Haha. Very funny, but this is just teenage Tumblr nonsense. It’s simply not true.

Namelessnelly · 14/11/2025 09:56

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:50

It appears not.

Anyone who suggests only people assigned female at birth can get pregnant are wrong.

I usually recommend reading about biology and also considering the sex assignment systems in various other countries that have progressed to keep up to date with medical understanding.

In many nations, including Germany, Canada, India, Malta etc etc...there are options to properly record that some people simply cannot be determined as definitely male or female at birth.
Some are genetically and phenotype BOTH, or NEITHER .

So, Germany for example has a "Diverse" category. Other nations use "x".

Even the groups FWS and Sex Matters when replying to recent EHRC consultation could not provide a definition of what made someone male or female, instead just saying that they rejected the notion of "assigned at birth" because it isn't always right.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

So I sure you can name one male who has given birth. Not someone with a DSD. A male. Someone assigned male at birth. I mean if a male had given birth it would be worldwide news. So you’ll have loads of links I'm sure.
and the tern intersex is very offensive to those with VSD. It reduces them to “other”. All VSD affect either males or females. Not both.

Who assigns sex at birth? Are sonographers lying when they say they call the sex of a baby in scans? Why are all these people “wrongly assigned at birth” not suing the hospital staff who wrongly assigned them? How come they get it right 99.9% of the time. Where these “wrongly assigned them assignments” done by the work experience kid?

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:57

A brain surgeon will consider the different structures the brain which are known to differ in "male type" and "female type".
The brain development occurs later during pregnancy and is affected by more hormones, genes and maternal environmental that at earlier genital stage.
There are known features of the female type that are found in trans women and gay men, but not cis straight men"s brains.
There are known features of the male type brain that are also found in trans men and the brains of lesbians, but not cis straight women.
Cambridge is probably the lead uni for this research and comparison.

Endocrinology studies hormones, which can vary enormously between individuals rather than by a "sex label".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2025 09:57

No one is “assigned female at birth” they are female at birth.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:58

Could I suggest just opening the research provided as it will answer all the questions you might have about male pregnancy and childbirth.

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 09:59

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:57

A brain surgeon will consider the different structures the brain which are known to differ in "male type" and "female type".
The brain development occurs later during pregnancy and is affected by more hormones, genes and maternal environmental that at earlier genital stage.
There are known features of the female type that are found in trans women and gay men, but not cis straight men"s brains.
There are known features of the male type brain that are also found in trans men and the brains of lesbians, but not cis straight women.
Cambridge is probably the lead uni for this research and comparison.

Endocrinology studies hormones, which can vary enormously between individuals rather than by a "sex label".

This is made up claptrap. Do you think some of us don’t have degrees and even doctorates in scientific disciplines? You can go off all you like with your teenage made up stuff, but it doesn’t change reality one bit.

catontheironingboard · 14/11/2025 10:00

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:58

Could I suggest just opening the research provided as it will answer all the questions you might have about male pregnancy and childbirth.

Yes posters above have just pointed out that it actually says the very opposite of what you claim 😆

Namelessnelly · 14/11/2025 10:00

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:58

Could I suggest just opening the research provided as it will answer all the questions you might have about male pregnancy and childbirth.

No Thankyou you can give me the names of these males who have, according to you, given birth. I mean, it’ll have been all over the news so you’re not invading anyone’s privacy.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:00

Interesting, but wrong.
Medical science doesn't assign anything in the UK. That is done by the Registrar, which is NOT medical anything.
And in the UK, even when it is absolutely impossible for any medic to ascertain "sex", the parent must still arbitrarily tick one of two boxes, which is the "assignment of sex". It is an administrative function. Not biological.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 14/11/2025 10:01

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:50

It appears not.

Anyone who suggests only people assigned female at birth can get pregnant are wrong.

I usually recommend reading about biology and also considering the sex assignment systems in various other countries that have progressed to keep up to date with medical understanding.

In many nations, including Germany, Canada, India, Malta etc etc...there are options to properly record that some people simply cannot be determined as definitely male or female at birth.
Some are genetically and phenotype BOTH, or NEITHER .

So, Germany for example has a "Diverse" category. Other nations use "x".

Even the groups FWS and Sex Matters when replying to recent EHRC consultation could not provide a definition of what made someone male or female, instead just saying that they rejected the notion of "assigned at birth" because it isn't always right.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

There is a very good reason why the ONLY medical response to the FWS Decision was to call it "scientifically illiterate".....because it completely ignored the fact that intersex people exist.

What is really scientifically illiterate is referring to "intersex people" when they do not exist. Every human who has ever lived is either male & female & 99.9% of the time it's really easy to tell which are which. The occurrence of very rare Disorders of Sexual Development does not negate the sex binary.

Bangbangwhizzbang · 14/11/2025 10:01

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:57

A brain surgeon will consider the different structures the brain which are known to differ in "male type" and "female type".
The brain development occurs later during pregnancy and is affected by more hormones, genes and maternal environmental that at earlier genital stage.
There are known features of the female type that are found in trans women and gay men, but not cis straight men"s brains.
There are known features of the male type brain that are also found in trans men and the brains of lesbians, but not cis straight women.
Cambridge is probably the lead uni for this research and comparison.

Endocrinology studies hormones, which can vary enormously between individuals rather than by a "sex label".

Please link the study that shows this. I want to see if it is the study that found no difference pre-triptorelin treatment and then showed an impact of this drug on the brain to make them closer to female ranges but not the same as female ranges (and didn’t adjust for homosexuality).

sanluca · 14/11/2025 10:01

Nobody is both male and female, nobody can produce both sperm and eggs and we can all agree there is no other gamete humans produce.

The only reason people with medical disorders of the sex development are brought up is to use their disorders to drive a wedge in the legal definition of man and woman. But self identification has nothing to do with medical disorders, otherwise it wouldn't be self identification. So it is a nonsense argument in this debate.

Just like the argument of a passing transwoman is used to drive a wedge in the existence of single sex facilities.

All these arguments are just that: arguments why the female sex should not exist in a legal sense and single sex facilities should be made illegal.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2025 10:02

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:00

Interesting, but wrong.
Medical science doesn't assign anything in the UK. That is done by the Registrar, which is NOT medical anything.
And in the UK, even when it is absolutely impossible for any medic to ascertain "sex", the parent must still arbitrarily tick one of two boxes, which is the "assignment of sex". It is an administrative function. Not biological.

Biological sex is not “assigned”. You can’t change it, whatever you write on a form.

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:02

No. Medicine does not publish "names" of anyone for anything. There are such things as privacy rights.
The research and tables of known and studied cases is available to you.

nicepotoftea · 14/11/2025 10:03

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:36

Could I suggest READING my post before commenting.
I said the use of words 'male, female....etc' predate ANY understanding of biology.

The words 'male, female etc' do not have any fixed biological meaning.

As a brain surgeon what they mean and you'll get one answer. An endocrinologist will say something completely different. A fertility clinician will have a different understanding to a geneticist.
The words we use DO NOT HAVE biological meaning.

As a brain surgeon what they mean and you'll get one answer. An endocrinologist will say something completely different. A fertility clinician will have a different understanding to a geneticist.

I think I would go with the opinion of the doctor who understands how babies are made.

Namelessnelly · 14/11/2025 10:04

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 09:57

A brain surgeon will consider the different structures the brain which are known to differ in "male type" and "female type".
The brain development occurs later during pregnancy and is affected by more hormones, genes and maternal environmental that at earlier genital stage.
There are known features of the female type that are found in trans women and gay men, but not cis straight men"s brains.
There are known features of the male type brain that are also found in trans men and the brains of lesbians, but not cis straight women.
Cambridge is probably the lead uni for this research and comparison.

Endocrinology studies hormones, which can vary enormously between individuals rather than by a "sex label".

I knew I’d heard this argument before. So how did they know the control subjects were “cis”? I mean, what if some had been trans but didn’t realise it? A lot of males in particular discover they are “trans” only in middle age or on the way to prison. How did they control for that?

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:04

Sanluca, having given the link for all the actual medical research that shows it dies happen repeatedly, the reasonable thing to do would be to open the link and learn, rather than just asserting stuff that is known to be wrong.

Namelessnelly · 14/11/2025 10:05

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:02

No. Medicine does not publish "names" of anyone for anything. There are such things as privacy rights.
The research and tables of known and studied cases is available to you.

Nah mate. A male giving birth would have been worldwide news and huge swathes of research papers published. No male has ever given birth. Not one. You’re kind of overegging your cake now.

TheKeatingFive · 14/11/2025 10:06

nicepotoftea · 14/11/2025 10:03

As a brain surgeon what they mean and you'll get one answer. An endocrinologist will say something completely different. A fertility clinician will have a different understanding to a geneticist.

I think I would go with the opinion of the doctor who understands how babies are made.

To be fair, no self respecting brain surgeon believes that a person with testes is a woman because of 'brain features'

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/11/2025 10:06

Anteater1 · 14/11/2025 10:02

No. Medicine does not publish "names" of anyone for anything. There are such things as privacy rights.
The research and tables of known and studied cases is available to you.

Can you quote the text of one of these cases, so we can understand what the circumstances were? If you can’t, I think we’ll all be able to draw our own conclusions.