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I find this disappointing from Lady Hale

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theDudesmummy · 22/05/2025 19:55

Part-way down the piece: “I was with some doctors last week who said there is no such thing as biological sex,” she said.

What in earth is that supposed to mean? Sex is a biological descriptor. Does she believe this nonsense? Surely not? Am I misunderstanding something?

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/may/22/court-ruling-legal-definition-of-a-woman-misinterpreted-lady-hale?CMP=share_btn_url

Court ruling on legal definition of a woman ‘misinterpreted’, Lady Hale says

Speaking at book festival in east Sussex, former supreme court president says reaction to judgment ‘very binary’

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/may/22/court-ruling-legal-definition-of-a-woman-misinterpreted-lady-hale?CMP=share_btn_url

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IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 23/05/2025 11:41

I was in Costa Coffee earlier today when I read that from Lady Hale and I immediately thought if I had her beside me I'd ask her if she genuinely couldn't know the biological sex of every single person in the coffee shop with us.
We all know. It's like someone obstinately insisting that there's no such thing as dogs because cats also have fur and tails.
It's so exceedingly stupid, it's hard to find words for it.

ThatCyanCat · 23/05/2025 11:42

The social experience is limited to hair, clothes and entering female spaces, none of which they can experience as women anyway. It's never taking the dog to the vet, caring for elderly parents, night wakings with kids and sorting out the car insurance. And any woman who doesn't do those things is still a woman.

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theDudesmummy · 23/05/2025 14:36

This issue has made me dismayed and disappointed in so many people/organisations over the past few years that I had a pretty good opinion of before. (e.g. Izzard, The Guardian, the BMA, the Labour Party, now Lady Hale). I suppose it's good to know who is what.

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Panterusblackish · 23/05/2025 16:41

MistyGreenAndBlue · 22/05/2025 21:16

Heartbreaking? Really? I hear this all the time from bekinders. I doubt they are truly -crying themselves to sleep-barely eating a bite-staring listlessly at the ceiling heartbroken.

But words don't mean what they mean anymore, do they?
Really ticks me off though.
Heartbroken my arse!

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If they were genuinely so very sensitive of feeling, they would be heartbroken for women being raped in prisons, in hospitals and at far higher risk in unisex facilities.

They only care about appearing caring. As a previous poster put it so well, luxury views.

I hope her or her daughter end up in a situation where they have need a pressing need for single sex facilities. Might teach them a lesson.

NotNowFGS · 23/05/2025 17:17

Coatsoff42 · 22/05/2025 23:47

Only now, when men want something from women, is biological sex unclear. For thousands of years, where women were treated as property, unable to vote, or own property, or get an education, it was very clear, as it is very clear in parts of the world today like Afghanistan. There’s no head scratching there about does sex exist or is it just a vibe you feel.
It infuriates me that men think taking some hormones and getting a boob job means they understand what it is like to be in a body that would have left you cornered and powerless for most of history, regardless of any ‘male energy’.

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Continualloop · 23/05/2025 17:22

nauticant · 23/05/2025 08:46

An old one (that's always being wheeled out) but a good one:

There are some ideas so absurd that only an intellectual could believe them. -George Orwell.

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People like Lady Hale actually remind me of that John Bird quote:

' Sometimes I think I would like to be a liberal - they are the nicest people. But I couldn't be that gullible and their ideas are stupid.'

Xenia · 23/05/2025 17:24

She taught me at university in the 1980s and is pretty good but even then (and now) our politics are worlds apart. I am sure she has always tried in her judgments in court simply to apply the law but she has always had a feel of "oke left" about her (mind you I was in the Federation of Young Conservatives as it then was in the 1980s and today vote Tory so she and I are very unlikely to be on the same page on many issues).

MistyGreenAndBlue · 23/05/2025 18:08

Panterusblackish · 23/05/2025 16:41

If they were genuinely so very sensitive of feeling, they would be heartbroken for women being raped in prisons, in hospitals and at far higher risk in unisex facilities.

They only care about appearing caring. As a previous poster put it so well, luxury views.

I hope her or her daughter end up in a situation where they have need a pressing need for single sex facilities. Might teach them a lesson.

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Well quite!

HPFA · 23/05/2025 18:13

Nobody who pretends not to know what sex is would ever put a male and a female rabbit in the same cage.

Peregrina · 23/05/2025 18:49

So socially, TW fit into the WI because their social experience matches that of women in the group.

How, exactly?

illinivich · 23/05/2025 18:52

I do think the most committed TRA know what sex is and knows its about reproductive roles, lots talk about sperm and egg storage, and surrogacy. Even the bbc, who seem to be having a mini breakdown over the ruling, never treat TM given birth as a miracle, and make too big a deal of TW 'breastfeeding' for TM to be male and TW to be female.

They just have the ability to park that knowledge and then talk of sex as something else. I think its because they have convinced themselves that trans ideology is real and are having to find reasons to justify it.

ArabellaScott · 23/05/2025 19:22

theDudesmummy · 23/05/2025 14:36

This issue has made me dismayed and disappointed in so many people/organisations over the past few years that I had a pretty good opinion of before. (e.g. Izzard, The Guardian, the BMA, the Labour Party, now Lady Hale). I suppose it's good to know who is what.

Its not. It's not good. These aren't bad people, they aren't stupid, and I'm utterly dismayed at how they can end up making such bewilderingly fucking stupid statements. Biological sex doesn't exist? I mean, listen to yourself! For God's sake.

ArabellaScott · 23/05/2025 19:24

IllustratedDictionaryOfTheDoldrums · 23/05/2025 11:41

I was in Costa Coffee earlier today when I read that from Lady Hale and I immediately thought if I had her beside me I'd ask her if she genuinely couldn't know the biological sex of every single person in the coffee shop with us.
We all know. It's like someone obstinately insisting that there's no such thing as dogs because cats also have fur and tails.
It's so exceedingly stupid, it's hard to find words for it.

It is the most astonishing example of the emperor's new clothes.

Arran2024 · 23/05/2025 20:58

DontStopMe · 23/05/2025 09:21

Lots of really, really clever people are only really, really clever in their own area, but think their cleverness applies everywhere.

"Sure it works in practice but does it work in theory?" is a famous quote - you can get it on the shirts. I understand it is popular at Harvard!

JanesLittleGirl · 23/05/2025 21:14

In theory there is no difference between Theory and Practice. In practice there is.

nauticant · 23/05/2025 21:21

DontStopMe · 23/05/2025 09:21

Lots of really, really clever people are only really, really clever in their own area, but think their cleverness applies everywhere.

The Germans (of course) have a word for it:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/submission/1182/fachidiot

littlbrowndog · 23/05/2025 22:32

Just a woman with privilege and money

the grooming gangs had no problem knowing who to target

but the Lady Hale and her daughter will never have to encounter this

but hey. Biological sex. Such a mad idea

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