LGBA on Woman's Hour 19/05/25

[Greyskybluesky]

Kate Barker-Mawjee will be speaking on behalf of LGBA

Personally I think it's extremely offensive to try to pressure homosexual women and men to keep their homosexuality secret.

If a lesbian can't say that she's exclusively attracted to adult human females, that is a seriously fucked up situation.

The bending over backwards not to offend some shows exactly where the potential danger comes from.

I know… I found it upsetting too and I think there comes a point where the BBC need to stop saying it. If they want to exhibit ‘balance’ on this (not that they’ve done that to date) a one-off mention of ‘some may disagree ‘ is fine (provided they are saying this to their tra interviewees too). The repeated use of ‘offensive’ to a lesbian woman who is talking about her attraction to other women is not.

The repeated use of ‘offensive’ to a lesbian woman who is talking about her attraction to other women is not.

I totally agree @hholiday and others who've said similar. I don't think the BBC realise they are essentially being homophobic when they do this.

I also find the entire premise of a man saying he's a women deeply offensive. Women and girls face unique challenges, discrimination and outright oppression across the world right now and throughout history.

They want to play act something they have no understanding of and we have no choice about. We exist, we're not a fucking concept or a feeling or a nebulous cluster of stereotypes. I understand that I don't have a right to not be offended and that people are allowed to have their own beliefs and we can agree to disagree, but damn right it's grossly offensive.

If you want to know who has the power, look at whom you're not allowed to say 'no' to. To paraphrase.

Just for your information, take a little care in referring to that quote:

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/to-learn-who-rules-over-you-quote-wrongly-attributed-to-voltaire-idUSL1N2UE2LM/

FWIW, while Nuala really annoyed me, my dh thought she was good - asking the questions, but allowing space for the answers.

There was also a good interview with the barrister for the Alliance on the Double Jeopardy podcast - apologies if already posted.
https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/womanhood-defined-the-uk-supreme-court-puts-biology/id1633485236?i=1000704557595

Exactly, I also find it offensive that people think men can be women based on sexist stereotypes and other misogynistic views, and even more so the idea that these people’s offence at not being pandered to in all things is paramount, whereas my offence as a woman doesn’t even warrant thinking about.

This. It was a repeated use and in stark contrast to the acceptance that some men can demand access to women and teenage girls undressing yet there's no trigger warning that most people will find that offensive.

Interesting, but I feel the premise of the quote is correct, even if an arsehole said it first

Maybe (be nice to think so) Nuala has started to appreciate the sex realist position but she’s definitely been of the bekind voice in past WH episodes.

I'd forgotten about this! Now waiting for it to be on Sounds <drums fingers>

I don't mind the questions about "Some people would say [insert viewpoint] is offensive" as long as they're done in good faith and not a stick to beat the interviewee with - they allow for the perceived slights to be addressed.

Kate was excellent. Really clear.

Thanks for the thread @Greyskybluesky

i forgot all about WH this morning so will catch up with the interview on Sounds later.

Balance is interesting as a concept.
Woman's hour should probably think about their role in this nonsense.

That's how I read it SidewaysOtter but I appreciate others will perceive it differently.

Who ever is on next for the correct analysis of the SR could do well to day its damn offensive for a male to even think they could ever be female

You can go to listen live on webpage then rewind to the relevant section. It was the second topic.

Interesting!

I think that only works while the programme is being broadcast and it's not possible when the schedule has moved onto the following programmes.

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'arguing'... as though it isn't a universally well-known fact.

I'm just hear to say that I love your username 😆

Sorry to distract from this really important thread. I'm so glad that LGBA have been given a voice in this. I'll catch up with it on iPlayer later.

Yes. I thought Nuala did an ok job under the circumstances, not sure I consider the overall tone “balanced” though.