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The Bluestocking Women’s Pub - The Return of Salad and the Lion

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MyrtleLion · 17/05/2025 21:17

It’s been a while since I last saw everyone!

Welcome to everyone, regulars, lurkers, newly ventured in.

A place for women to discuss whatever takes their fancy, where the bar staff are attentive gerbils, Rosy the Red Panda is available for cuddles and all sweet things have no calories and all alcohol leaves the drinker slightly merry and hangover-free.

Previous thread is here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5326705-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-where-brains-can-exist-in-a-single-state

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, where brains can exist in a single state | Mumsnet

Welcome all. The booze here is minimally intoxicating, the food is calorie free and the staff are warm and cuddly. And if the thread title sounds nons...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5326705-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-where-brains-can-exist-in-a-single-state

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MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 09:46

Swashbuckled · 23/05/2025 08:33

I’m just popping in to let you know I’m still here. I’m in the morning part of my new routine. My daughter is still sleeping in my bed and I have come to sit up in my son’s bed with a coffee.

It is very comforting to see life going on in the BS and also to feel your love and mentions, and see Swashy’s ship in so many of the pictures.

I cannot talk about what I am going through yet; it is unbearable. But I am so grateful for the love and thoughts from you all.

Thank you.

It's lovely to hear from you Swash, thank you for taking the time to call in to the Bluestocking.

I'm glad you know we are here and thinking of you - getting on with things, being our usual selves in the Bluestocking, but always leaving space for thoughts of you and your dear daughter. And a mooring for your ship. x

Flowers💙Flowers

lcakethereforeIam · 23/05/2025 10:13

Safe harbour, always.

inkymoose · 23/05/2025 10:45

MyrtleLion · 23/05/2025 09:21

I think it is hugely destabilising as a child to find out that your sister is your mother and that your parents/grandparents lied to you about something so fundamental. What else have they lied about? I wonder if you, as a teacher, were an adult she could rely on for certainty. I wonder what else was going on in that family.
A family close to me arranged for the husband to impregnate his stepdaughter, with whom he had lived as a father figure since she was 11. Just so the wife could finally have a son. The ages involved mean it was illegal in Scotland but not in England. I wonder what that now 8 year old child will think when they finally see their birth certificate.

Who was the stepdaughter's mother? Was it the wife who wanted a son?

Horrible to think about, anyway

ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2025 10:58

Greetings to our lovely Swashy.❤

I asked the gerbils to make an appropriate cake for when you drop in, & I think they've excelled themselves. What flavour is it? Your favourite flavour, of course.

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ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2025 11:21

I was in my 50s when I found out, completely by accident, that my maternal grandparents weren't my maternal grandparents, but that my mother had been born to the unmarried sister of one of them & then taken in by them & brought up as one of their own children.

That was pretty devastating, & what I found unforgivable was that my brother had been told the facts as an adult & then told never to tell anyone else. So when I would be asked by doctors about my family's medical history, I confidently gave the info from the wrong bit of the family.

I also felt robbed of the chance to talk to my mother about her circumstances - I felt so sorry for her - as she'd already gone.

And there was another great aunt whose granddaughter I would've liked to be, but no, my actual grandmother had been someone I despised. 🙄

No idea who my actual grandfather was. I'm tempted to do a DNA thingy, but I have a feeling it would be asking for trouble.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/05/2025 11:40

That must have been an incredible shock for you, @ifIwerenotanandroid - I can't begin to think how you process something like that.

There are some fascinating stories here, from people's genealogical research. I haven't found anything terribly shocking, but I did find out that my dad had a sister, who died young (she was younger than him). As far as I knew, he was, and always had been, an only child. Sadly he had died long before I found this out, so I was never able to ask him about it.

I have piles of photos, that I brought home from mum's house after she died, along with some papers (dad and mum both did some family tree research), but amongst those papers was a big, vellum deed for a house - the name on it isn't one I recognise from the family tree, so it doesn't seem sufficiently relevant to keep it, but I was thinking I might send it to the relevant County Records Office, because it might be informative for someone, someday.

MelOfTheRoses · 23/05/2025 11:41

My grandmother found out that her aunt was actually her half-sister while waiting for her mother's funeral - the funeral director came in the room and asked for the eldest daughter and she went to get up, but the aunt was there first. It explained the very 'proper' up-bringing she was given 🤔

ifIwerenotanandroid · 23/05/2025 12:07

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius It really was difficult to process. I kept going back over everything, rewriting people into their correct relationships & reviewing oddities about the past, but it got so complicated. My mind was reeling for a few weeks.

It will be a kindness to someone if you do donate that vellum deed & they find it.

EdithStourton · 23/05/2025 13:55

android no wonder you were reeling. Lies and omissions do that - my father left some very important stuff out.

One of my cousins-at-various-removes found out as a young adult that her 'father' was her step-father, her actual father having been her mother's first husband (I don't think she'd been told about him at all).

And Swashy, thank you for popping in. Consider yourself hugged, if hugs are your thing.

MyrtleLion · 23/05/2025 14:00

inkymoose · 23/05/2025 10:45

Who was the stepdaughter's mother? Was it the wife who wanted a son?

Horrible to think about, anyway

Edited

Yes. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. The mother persuaded forced her husband to father a child with her daughter. In Scotland it’s a criminal offence to have sex with a stepchild aged between 16 and 21 and who has lived in the same household before the age of 18 and been treated as a child of the family. That offence doesn’t exist in England, though I believe it should.

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Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:23

Clara. Finding herself currently diluged with customers has taken on some apprentice gerbils.

It's going quite well

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Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:24

Scratch that.

The Bluestocking Women’s Pub - The Return of Salad and the Lion
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 23/05/2025 14:25

Ooops!

Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:25

@EdithStourton

Re "Where did you get that cat badge? I NEED one!"

I got it as a present.

If I had to guess I'd say it was probably from Amazon

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2025 14:30

Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:25

@EdithStourton

Re "Where did you get that cat badge? I NEED one!"

I got it as a present.

If I had to guess I'd say it was probably from Amazon

At least that cat only has people to contend with. YouTube randomly offered me this, which apart from the Bluestocking having a much nicer pond, I can imagine the various creatures here re-enacting.

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Chersfrozenface · 23/05/2025 14:36

Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:25

@EdithStourton

Re "Where did you get that cat badge? I NEED one!"

I got it as a present.

If I had to guess I'd say it was probably from Amazon

Looks like it's Temu.

Sorry the link is so huge / if it doesn't work.

https://www.temu.com/uk/1pc-ew-people-cool-black-cat-enamel-pin-for-men-satirical-cartoon-metal-badge-funny-humor-accessory-for-backpacks-hats-apparel-footwear-decor-g-601099565727876.html?_x_sessn_id=q5tg7u9lqm&refer_page_name=bgn_verification&refer_page_id=10017_1748007265578_lrs464ysr9&refer_page_sn=10017

Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:48

https://amzn.eu/d/260x2CB

There is a two pack of embroidered patches on Amazon but so far I can't find Ew. People with a cat on a badge

The Bluestocking Women’s Pub - The Return of Salad and the Lion
Chersfrozenface · 23/05/2025 15:02

Ebay UK

Search for "Ew, People cat badge".

I'd post a link to one or two on offer but the links all appear a mile long.

KeyWorker · 23/05/2025 15:42

It’s not means-tested for a reason. If the government say he’s entitled to it and no lies have been told on the application then I don’t see what the problem is.

EdithStourton · 23/05/2025 15:58

Boiledbeetle · 23/05/2025 14:48

https://amzn.eu/d/260x2CB

There is a two pack of embroidered patches on Amazon but so far I can't find Ew. People with a cat on a badge

Perfect! Thank you.

Also thanks to Cher - I'll take a look at Ebay as well.

The almost-a-week of SIL nearly drove me round the bend. It's so nice to be doing things without someone else's running commentary fretting along in the background. 'Now, where did I put my key? What on earth have I done with it? Is it in my bag? ....No. Is it on the table? ....No. Is it in my pocket?...No. It MUST be in my bag. Oh look! I'd put it in the teeny-weeny little pocket just here! It was hiding!'

It was either that or stream of consciousness: 'When Mike and I were still married and we went to Norway I was so impressed, Scandinavian cities are aways so clean, don't you agreeAnd then you come home and there's litter everywhere I don't why we can't our act together, do you have any idea I think it must be something to do with...' I couldn't get a bloody word in. Or if I did, it was promptly stomped on by the continuing stream of consciousness ramble.

Hence the urge for rude doormats and 'Ew People' badges.

And poor Clara...

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 16:02

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2025 14:30

At least that cat only has people to contend with. YouTube randomly offered me this, which apart from the Bluestocking having a much nicer pond, I can imagine the various creatures here re-enacting.

This is cute AF and so funny! The cat's face is priceless😄It takes 'being an attention-seeking pest' to Olympic levels, before briefly trying this in-tim-acy thing the dog and ducks seem to be so into.. but not for long.

I can't imagine AI being able to come up with anything so unlikely, so cute and so funnySmile

EdithStourton · 23/05/2025 16:03

Cute video, Errol. I've managed to train Brains and Batshit to ignore poultry, and I don't plan to push things any further.

Brains and Batshit are intermittently doing the whole Jedi mind trick thing of staring at me while thinking 'WALK?' very loudly.

MarieDeGournay · 23/05/2025 16:12

Poor you, Edith!
I know just what you mean, I was on a train once going to Leeds no I tell a lie it was to Carlisle no it was definitely Leeds, or maybe York, anyway there was a couple sitting opposite me, a nice looking couple, well turned out, and it was terrible, one of them talked and talked and talked non-stop, well I say non stop but she did stop every now and then to have a drink of tea, they'd brought a flask of tea, or maybe it was coffee, I can't be sure, but most of the time she was just talk talk talk, how the other person could put up with it I don't know, is there anything worse than being in the company of someone who just goes on and on and on and doesn't give you a chance to get a word in edgeways, I know I couldn't put up with that at all, and I think it shows a complete lack of self-awareness too, which is something I really can't stand in a person, don't you agree that a lack of self-awareness is something that's really hard to put up with, I'm sure you agree, it's just so dismissive of other people, I'd hate to be like that, how can anyone tolerate it all day every day, it would drive me up the walls - Edith? EDITH? Cooo-eee, Edith? Where are you?
😄

ErrolTheDragon · 23/05/2025 16:17

KeyWorker · 23/05/2025 15:42

It’s not means-tested for a reason. If the government say he’s entitled to it and no lies have been told on the application then I don’t see what the problem is.

Wrong thread?

MyrtleLion · 23/05/2025 16:44

Completed booknook.

There may be another one on my desk.

And I may have ordered two more to arrive in the next month.

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