Work pride week etc

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So first off we’ve had allyship training by a company that recommends Stonewall as further reading and now we have a full on Progress pride flag session to go through all the colours and design your own flag (yes this is for adults!).
Anyone got any ideas about how I can frame a complaint?

Design a flag just for women. Purple, green and white.

Re stonewall, I would innocently mention that several organisations who took advice from stonewall then got into legal trouble as a result of following that advice. Stonewall refused to take any responsibility for that.

You are concerned that the same could happen here. Try to find the contradictions re single sex spaces do you can quote them.

If the teacher says anything along the lines of ' tw are w and so can use sss' or anything else that clearly contravenes the law, you can ask him if he would be happy to put it in writing and agree to take responsibility for any misinterpretation of the law.

Stay full of wide eyed innocence 'i just don't want us to get into trouble' tinkly laugh.

If he carries on by saying anything like 'we/I'm not a lawyer/cannot advise on legalities. Then you follow up with a surprised Pikachu face... 'but you ARE advising us on legal issues....which is it, does management know you aren't up to date on the law??!!, aren't we PAYING you for this?' or 'wont this put trans people in a horrible position? Do you want them to get sued like that poor brave Dr Beth Upton in that Scottish case ....' etc etc.

But this is my personal fantasy...

Agree Cerialkiller. Best option is to frame it as 'best avoid any legal problems / image problems etc'.

Rainbows make me instantly ragey now.

I wouldn't complain about a silly activity personally. Workplaces always do things that are time wasting. Just make yourself scarce and/or busy.

Yes and you can happily avoid the whole controversy and not being dismissed as a bigot terf because you ARE in fact VERY supportive of transfolx but as an employee of the company you are ALSO concerned about being sued.

This is doubly the case if you work in legal/accounting/HR/management and would be expected to call this shit out.

I think things are too far gone to let any further corporate efforts at misogynistic indoctrination go unchallenged. But I also know we all need to not get sacked.

Double points if you can include glaringly ludicrous gender beliefs in your submission while passing off the inclusion as 'allyship'. Can definitely be done, not necessarily with a straight face tho.

Me, too. Hate anything rainbow and I'm a lesbian.

I'd have a very difficult time refraining from asking what other primary school activities they want to pay us to do.

Design a Gussie Grips Goes to Holyrood flag. Include merkin.

Is this supposed to be a complaint or advice on how to get involved?

How is it in your job description to do this? I mean don't you have work to do?

Suffragette colours 😂

It’s everywhere. I have to go to a high school Pride event and be lovely. (Which I will, obviously) It involves a drag queen. I don’t understand the need.

Why do you have to be lovely?

I will say, I think this thing with getting employees to spend their time on stupid shit is everywhere, not just with "queer" stuff.

Next month I have to go to a work training session where we will spend the whole morning on some kind of quasi-spiritual "blanket" journey. We are supposed to bring our own blanket. This is from an organization which only gives us one real training day a year - there are so many actually job related things we could do, and this is what they chose.

@TempestTost I’ll be lovely because it gets the job done. And I don’t tend to bring my personal views to work. (I would hate your training day so much and probably have to fake a distant relative’s funeral for that day)

Nap time? Paid nap time? Or bring in a nice special blanket.

https://www.disturbia.co.uk/products/plants-woven-blanket?variant=41341008150685&country=GB&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22496418665&gbraid=0AAAAADqmKpAsi-3xxkh9LCM86x_TLq0aG&gclid=CjwKCAjw56DBBhAkEiwAaFsG-naHN94n9DtaaplfRMXYzOrIMQgbodrgUsGJCnfTgraaZVMKx3IX_RoCckkQAvD_BwE

An EDI person of limited intelligence at my work signposted to lots of agencies, including Stonewall on trans visibility day/ week/ month. I said they were once great but have lost their way. I didn't feel it was wise signposting to them because a lot of Government and governing bodies we are under (eg social work England) have distanced themselves from Stonewall. Also they have overreached and given poor advice which I feared had contributed to lots of agencies, including local authorities (we are one too) ending up in Tribunals that they have lost, and which could have been avoided.
He took it fairly well and said he didn't know any of that. I believe him too. All just easy cut and pasting his end, virtue signalling with no thought or substance.
Since then we have had the SC outcome which further evidences Stonewall were wrong all that time while charging to train people nonsense.

Writing a complaint to complain about your work being LGBT supportive isn't going to sit well with anyone. Expect a cold shoulder from now on if you actually go ahead.

Actually, Christina, that's not the case.

The school where I work was very pleased when I pointed out how some of our posters and resources around the place were not compliant with our LA's transgender guidance - this was three years ago, well before the SC judgement.

They were also very relieved when I highlighted issues with the RHSE resources on gender identify and homosexuality and withdrew it from lessons.

Generally, workplaces want to follow the law. And schools want to comply with safeguarding guidelines.

On come now. People won't like you if you do this is the most blatant peer pressure bullshit I've heard since I was offered a cigarette as a teen.

Actually I have spoken out before. I will continue to do so. The question is whether the progress flag is a suitable discussion point given its controversial nature (I’m far more interested in the LGB than the T etc) and whether it amounts to a “micro aggression” against LGB people which would be contrary to the businesses attempts to encourage allyship.

Luckily the event isn’t compulsory but it’s tempting to turn up and make a flag in suffragette colours 😁

For once @Christinapple is right! take a bow!

Then remember all the times you've thought only a few women have ever complained. We call them, the brave. You call them the pearl clutching Karens.

Maybe, just maybe this coincidental foresight will come with a dose of reality of why you seem to be distant from what women think, feel and believe. maybe you'll even get clarity on how women respond to societal irresponsibility towards women's rights.

I'm reading The Courage to Be Disliked.
It's brilliant.

I think the microaggression towards LGB is a possible goer. More broadly you could maybe raise the question of whether or not 'strongly encouraged' Pride stuff could infringe upon individual rights to personal beliefs, or a business's ethical obligation to remain politically neutral?
Make sure you include the Merkin Seen Around the World on that flag 😁 pic plz.