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Real life handmaids tale: Adriana Smith

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Burntt · 16/05/2025 20:21

is there a thread on this yet?

Adriana smith is brain dead and her family want to turn the machines off. But because this is Georgia she is being kept on life support because she was pregnant. The fetus has fluid on the brain is highly likely to be disabled. The family who want to turn the life support off will be liable for the medical bills and care for the child.

this was also an episode of handmaids tale.

A corpse literally has more rights than her as you cannot use a corpses organs without consent.

I don’t really know what to say other than I’m disgusted at the treatment of this poor woman and her family. I came here looking for a thread and didn’t see one, sorry if I missed it

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IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 19:07

However 1lb 3oz! Surely they would have known that from scans. That is not a healthy weight and no doubt indicates serious issues?

I cant remember if it is on this thread, but certainly in articles there was real concern not just at the keeping Adriana alive, but in fact the inference was that her body was not longer functioning well, and suspect they went ahead with the delivery because they doubted the baby would grow any bigger. I think they planned at 32 weeks?

But all of it is totally grotesque.

IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 19:08

Still find it strange that her boyfriend, presumably the father, has not featured in any of the reporting.

BreatheAndFocus · 17/06/2025 19:12

Anothernamechange23gfdd · 17/06/2025 18:44

1lb 3oz! Is that correct?

I thought babies on average were 7lb 7.

If that’s the case then this is beyond the pale. It was awful to begin with as the family should have been able to make a decision as to what the mother would have likely wished in the event the baby could be born healthy. However 1lb 3oz! Surely they would have known that from scans. That is not a healthy weight and no doubt indicates serious issues?

I just; there are no words. That poor woman. They could have gone together and atleast they would always be together.

The baby was born very prematurely. 7lb 7 is the average weight of a baby born at 40weeks. 1lb 13oz is a reasonable weight for a very prem baby born at 25/26 weeks.

CurlewKate · 17/06/2025 19:17

IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 19:08

Still find it strange that her boyfriend, presumably the father, has not featured in any of the reporting.

Presumably he’s got nothing to say-he had no rights in the case any more than Adriana’s family have.

IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 19:29

CurlewKate · 17/06/2025 19:17

Presumably he’s got nothing to say-he had no rights in the case any more than Adriana’s family have.

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Does he not have rights as the father?

I am not particularly speaking up for him, but just saying it seems really strange.

Well lets just hope that all those who decided the pregnancy should continue will be as concerned about the child's future.

GlamOrc · 17/06/2025 19:34

I could see an argument being made for this if the woman was very nearly to term or had stipulated before that she would want this to happen.

This case is absolutely horrific.

ShesTheAlbatross · 17/06/2025 20:10

Anothernamechange23gfdd · 17/06/2025 18:44

1lb 3oz! Is that correct?

I thought babies on average were 7lb 7.

If that’s the case then this is beyond the pale. It was awful to begin with as the family should have been able to make a decision as to what the mother would have likely wished in the event the baby could be born healthy. However 1lb 3oz! Surely they would have known that from scans. That is not a healthy weight and no doubt indicates serious issues?

I just; there are no words. That poor woman. They could have gone together and atleast they would always be together.

1lb 13oz. And very early. I assume something happened medically that meant they had to deliver the baby.

Anothernamechange23gfdd · 17/06/2025 20:13

Babyboomtastic · 17/06/2025 18:58

It's a decent weight for that gestation.
Baby was born at 25/26 weeks rather than 40, hence the low weight.

Hopefully baby will be fine and will love a long happy life. It's a tragic situation, but at least mum can be properly laid to rest now.

Sorry did not see that part. So after all this they take babe out at 25 weeks!?

I assume then they started to see problems. This is on the cusp of viability no?

Honestly I am so angry about this now. They have used this child and mother as an experiment. I hope the baby survives and lives a healthy life. But what if they don’t?!

ShesTheAlbatross · 17/06/2025 20:28

Anothernamechange23gfdd · 17/06/2025 20:13

Sorry did not see that part. So after all this they take babe out at 25 weeks!?

I assume then they started to see problems. This is on the cusp of viability no?

Honestly I am so angry about this now. They have used this child and mother as an experiment. I hope the baby survives and lives a healthy life. But what if they don’t?!

Yes I’d assume the doctors felt like they had no choice. Maybe her waters broke, or she deteriorated, or the baby showed signs of distress. I assume (but not sure?) that the doctors were not the ones who pushed to keep her on life support, but I also imagine that delivering an extremely premature baby is not what they wanted.

IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 20:46

They have used this child and mother as an experiment.

It isn't an "experiment".

It is the consequence of medical professionals being made to behave in a way they wouldn't choose to because politicians have created a law that means there is every possibility they would have face criminal charges for not "saving" the baby.

Purely based on if a heartbeat can be heard then the baby cant be aborted.

Quote: "A heartbeat bill bans abortion once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which may be as soon as six weeks into a pregnancy."

Coatsoff42 · 17/06/2025 21:13

Poor child, what a grotesque thing to find out, that you had lived inside your mother’s deteriorating corpse for however many weeks.

IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 21:34

Coatsoff42 · 17/06/2025 21:13

Poor child, what a grotesque thing to find out, that you had lived inside your mother’s deteriorating corpse for however many weeks.

Sad
Anothernamechange23gfdd · 17/06/2025 22:17

IwantToRetire · 17/06/2025 20:46

They have used this child and mother as an experiment.

It isn't an "experiment".

It is the consequence of medical professionals being made to behave in a way they wouldn't choose to because politicians have created a law that means there is every possibility they would have face criminal charges for not "saving" the baby.

Purely based on if a heartbeat can be heard then the baby cant be aborted.

Quote: "A heartbeat bill bans abortion once a fetal heartbeat can be detected, which may be as soon as six weeks into a pregnancy."

Your right. I am not blaming the doctors. However people should just stand up and say no more. Fine you don’t want to lose your job / your liberty. But I hope there are some out there that are in trusted groups and being creative to give women dignified appropriate healthcare. If your out there and doing this and somehow read this; know women all over the world are behind you and forever grateful for the risks you are taking in standing silently against this US regime

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2025 02:12

Not forgetting (somebody posted the links earlier in this thread) very few babies born to a woman kept alive by medical intervention, survive.

JessaWoo · 19/06/2025 01:35

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2025 01:25

4 June 2025
The Trump administration has announced that it is revoking guidance to the nation’s hospitals that directed them to provide emergency abortions to women when they are necessary to stabilize their medical condition.
https://www.oregonlive.com/health/2025/06/trump-administration-rescinds-guidance-requiring-emergency-abortions-for-hospitals.html

That’s a backward step.

Liamwoood · 19/06/2025 01:37

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TERFlawnBOY · 20/06/2025 11:49

Such a sad story with no winners.

caramac04 · 20/06/2025 11:55

MatildaMovesMountains · 16/05/2025 21:55

Gestating inside a corpse is not a fate I'd wish on any fetus.

How will the child feel if they live to have the capacity to understand how they were incubated?
At some point the information will come out and could be very traumatising for the child.

IwantToRetire · 01/07/2025 18:31

Ultimately, women like Adriana Smith and their fetuses are inseparable and persist in a technologically defined state of in-betweenness. I’d argue that postmortem pregnancies, therefore, need new bioethical standards that center women’s beliefs about their bodies and a dignified death. This might involve recognizing pregnancy’s unique ambiguities in advance directives, questioning default treatment pathways that may require harm to be done to one in order to save another, or considering multiple definitions of clinical and legal death.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/adriana-smith-brain-dead-abortion-ethics-b2780473.html

Expert says Adriana Smith’s case goes beyond abortion politics

Lindsey Breitwieser says a more nuanced ethical approach that does not frame a mother and child as adversaries is needed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/adriana-smith-brain-dead-abortion-ethics-b2780473.html

EdithStourton · 01/07/2025 21:11

IwantToRetire · 18/06/2025 01:25

4 June 2025
The Trump administration has announced that it is revoking guidance to the nation’s hospitals that directed them to provide emergency abortions to women when they are necessary to stabilize their medical condition.
https://www.oregonlive.com/health/2025/06/trump-administration-rescinds-guidance-requiring-emergency-abortions-for-hospitals.html

Says it all, really: in Trump-world, the potential baby matters more than the mother.

Who is already alive and might well have other children who need her.

DrBlackbird · 01/07/2025 21:15

EdithStourton · 01/07/2025 21:11

Says it all, really: in Trump-world, the potential baby matters more than the mother.

Who is already alive and might well have other children who need her.

This is Project 2025 made manifest. Those who desire to control others are driven to do so with evangelical intensity and fervour.

Babyboomtastic · 02/07/2025 14:19

EdithStourton · 01/07/2025 21:11

Says it all, really: in Trump-world, the potential baby matters more than the mother.

Who is already alive and might well have other children who need her.

I'm pretty pro life in terms of wanting restrictions on demand (not being 1st trimester basically), but this is barbaric. What's the actual point?

Presumably if the baby is post visibility it'll be delivered not aborted and if pre viability then baby will usually die if mum does, so who is gaining from this? Either just baby dies or baby and mum dies. There's zero logic here just more death.

Madness

IwantToRetire · 04/12/2025 01:37

Baby born to brain-dead Georgia woman forced to carry birth to term remains seriously-ill - and anti-abortion state isn't helping pay for his treatment
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15349091/Georgia-Adriana-Smith-brain-dead-birth-baby-sick.html

Sorry about shouty headline, but only DM seems to have reported on this up date.