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Unions threatening strike action if males with a trans identity not allowed access to female toilets.

102 replies

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 16/05/2025 10:43

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14717831/amp/Civil-servants-threaten-strikes-transgender-toilets.html

I'm genuinely perplexed by what they hope to achieve here. The outcome can't be for the government just to ignore the law.

Will we find out how many members do actually support the Supreme Court ruling as surely a vote will be required?

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SionnachRuadh · 16/05/2025 14:21

Turnout in PCS elections is so comically low that I'd forgotten Serwotka was no longer GS.

PCS has a concentrated form of the problem you get in some other public sector unions, where there are some very good people at branch level, but the leadership are fixated on their image as a Very Left Wing Union, and they're more interested in performatively supporting the Current Thing than doing the basic stuff around pay and conditions.

I'm entitled to join FDA, and sometimes think about it, but I'm not convinced FDA has a membership pitch beyond "we're not as barking as PCS".

TomeTome · 16/05/2025 14:21

Maybe it’s time for women to strike.

ArabellaScott · 16/05/2025 14:31

ArabellaScott · 16/05/2025 13:29

Is this?

'we have quiet rooms that are available, there's a range of options of these right on seven, there's one that has video but no sound if you still want to be able to observe the convention but the sound is an issue. There's also on Piedmont 8 a completely quiet room - one thing to note there. please don't go into that space with anything that's like an aggressive scent for instance, right, because that's going to be difficult for people'

😂

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 16/05/2025 14:36

CassOle · 16/05/2025 13:48

I had a guess upthread. I was thinking of the episode 'Hush'.

Ah, I had maybe thought Rack from season 6, the magic drug dealer

DrDameKatyDeniseInExile · 16/05/2025 14:36

Goodness, Operation Let Them Speak moving on apace, I see.

CrackingOn50 · 16/05/2025 14:36

eatfigs · 16/05/2025 11:49

Christ, thought that was someone doing a shit cosplay of Bob from Twin Peaks

lcakethereforeIam · 16/05/2025 14:40

'Twas 'Hush'.

SternJoyousBee · 16/05/2025 14:44

Abouttoblow · 16/05/2025 13:15

That guy is burned into my memory.

"James Jackson, Sacramento, he/him"

He said it every time he had a complaint and there were many 😂

Chatter, whispering, gendered language, applause, aggressive scents 😂
Don't talk to cops.
Dont talk to anyone without credentials
It was never ending.

Thank you! I was able to find some clips from the details on your post!

“point of personal privilege” 😂😂😂

2JFDIYOLO · 16/05/2025 15:08

I hope SEEN will be having input on this

About the public service Sex Equality and Equity Network:

seen-network.uk/

HPFA · 16/05/2025 15:23

BonfireLady · 16/05/2025 12:17

Or Kemi Badenoch in the next PMQs....

"Is the Prime Minister aware that the largest union for civil servants is considering strike action over males no longer being allowed into women's sports and changing rooms and vulnerable children no longer having access to puberty blockers? How does he plan to lead this country when its government departments are advocating against its laws?"

That would indeed be a typical Kemi question - displaying her usual disregard for facts.

The PCS is not a "government department" and is not affiliated to the Labour Party.

Brefugee · 16/05/2025 15:40

Bigfatsunandclouds · 16/05/2025 11:58

This absolutely won't happen, they will not get anywhere near the members needed to even get to a ballot to strike. The unions are flexing their muscles but if they went to their members to say lose money over this particular issue they'll be laughed all the way out of government.

but what if they do? Do we have to accept that GC women are in the minority and mosp people DGAF about this or any other issue affecting women?

anyolddinosaur · 16/05/2025 15:53

People are not going to go on strike over this and lose pay, however kind they are to families caught up in this.

teawamutu · 16/05/2025 15:54

HPFA · 16/05/2025 15:23

That would indeed be a typical Kemi question - displaying her usual disregard for facts.

The PCS is not a "government department" and is not affiliated to the Labour Party.

Well, no. But its members are.

PCS encouraging civil servants to demand their employers contravene the law... It's not actually untrue.

teawamutu · 16/05/2025 15:54

SionnachRuadh · 16/05/2025 14:21

Turnout in PCS elections is so comically low that I'd forgotten Serwotka was no longer GS.

PCS has a concentrated form of the problem you get in some other public sector unions, where there are some very good people at branch level, but the leadership are fixated on their image as a Very Left Wing Union, and they're more interested in performatively supporting the Current Thing than doing the basic stuff around pay and conditions.

I'm entitled to join FDA, and sometimes think about it, but I'm not convinced FDA has a membership pitch beyond "we're not as barking as PCS".

Works for me.

EasternStandard · 16/05/2025 16:56

soupycustard · 16/05/2025 13:24

So to be clear: the civil service union wants to strike to demand that, in contravention of the law, males be given access to female toilets.
Gosh that's certainly some hill to die on.

This is too much.

soupycustard · 16/05/2025 17:06

ScholesPanda · 16/05/2025 12:17

I am a PCS member and rep.

It is a democratic union where any member can put something forward, and if it is endorsed at a branch meeting and doesn't break any rules it can go forward to conference. Personally, I think this is a good thing- motions put forward in previous years came from GC women when 'no debate' was the TRA line. Now we get the opposite.

Most motions will not be considered by conference, they will time out. If it does pass, (and it may well pass if it comes to a vote) it will probably disappear into a myriad of committees for consideration, and no ballot will ever take place.

If it is put to a ballot I would say very few members would vote to take action on this, and many reps wouldn't bother to campaign to encourage them to do so.

I don't know if that is helpful info or not, but my view is this is a variation on the annual Daily Mail theme of 'let's see which motion put forward to conference this year seems most rage inducing, and then mislead people into thinking all civil servants support it.'

Thank you for this. It's good to know that this is only one person trying to get this on to an agenda - the article made it sound as if this was rather more of a done deal.

Chersfrozenface · 16/05/2025 17:17

HPFA · 16/05/2025 15:23

That would indeed be a typical Kemi question - displaying her usual disregard for facts.

The PCS is not a "government department" and is not affiliated to the Labour Party.

Shall we parse what she said?

"How does he plan to lead this country when its government departments are advocating against its laws?"

"Its laws" refers to "this country", not to the Labour party. The Labour party, note, is not mentioned.

"Its government departments" refers to the employees in this country's government departments i.e the Civil Service. The PCS claims to speak for employees in the Civil Service.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/05/2025 17:23

Maddy70 · 16/05/2025 14:16

It's a daily mail article which doesn't tells you that it's highly likely not to be accurate.

A headline stating that a union is supporting one if it's membera is unlikely to create clicks

It’s nice to see someone supporting the Mail.

colourmystic · 18/05/2025 02:04

What the F* is so magical about our toilets???

Tallisker · 18/05/2025 03:25

colourmystic · 18/05/2025 02:04

What the F* is so magical about our toilets???

It’s not the toilets, it’s us.

EweSurname · 18/05/2025 08:11

I don’t have access to the whole article but more tomfoolery from unions (albeit a different one) seems afoot:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/05/18/uk-biggest-union-unison-trans-woman-runs-senior-female-role/

highame · 18/05/2025 08:35

I can't see any success. Wasn't the vote TWAW done in a very underhand manner a few years ago. The more groups move away from their core mission, the more support drains away

ThatCyanCat · 18/05/2025 08:38

TomeTome · 16/05/2025 14:21

Maybe it’s time for women to strike.

I swear, this would work. If we all actually did stop doing everything expected of us, the world would be ours in under a week. Lysistrata was right. Sex is only one part of it, although that would be enough.

ThatCyanCat · 18/05/2025 08:39

colourmystic · 18/05/2025 02:04

What the F* is so magical about our toilets???

They're supposed to be ours.

WeaselsRising · 18/05/2025 08:45

This makes me so angry. The Union is supposed to work on behalf of its members, not go out on a limb. All it does it lead to the usual complaints from the general public that there are too many civil servants and we should all be sacked.