Women's Hour - TRA barrister on

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Anyone care to discuss the content of today's women's hour. They had RMW on who's interpretation of the Supreme Court judgement seems questionable. Please stick to discussing content as we have already had a thread deleted.

I am puzzled by Schrodinger's communication. Someone takes the trouble to explain their reasons and describe aspects of their life, posts it on a blog ONLINE, and then doesn't want people to read their own words in order to better understand.

@MarvellousMonsters oh absolutely, and if such a proposal was to be implemented I would expect that within 30 seconds transwomen would be insisting that they could use the religious toilets/rooms/spaces as well because they are also women. Or something.

I think the position that some TRAs are falling back to post-FWS is "we know transwomen are male, of course they are, we never said otherwise (gaslight gaslight). But because transwomen are women, you can be a woman and also be male so it makes no sense to make a transwoman use any other spaces other than those designated for women."

Yes I know it makes no sense. But the whole edifice rests on the thought-terminating cliche "trans women are women". If that phrase is conceded or accepted then from that false statement flows everything else.

Oh I don’t know. It has certain ‘hawk tua’, spitting out something nasty, vibe to it.

i suspect posts/ jokes relating to antiques Road show, guns and physical appearance

Shhhhhhhh! Don't mention the bundle .... (looks around furtively).

You ain't seen me, right?

The other thing is, back in ye olden days, hardly any man would be trans, so people weren't looking for it, it wasn't expected, there were no double takes.

Now, however, there's more trans people than you can shake a stick at.

They're far more common, they're not difficult to spot, and everyone knows about them.

We are more alert, more aware. Someone obviously walking like a man, is going to trigger that awareness.

Phallic drift. First question always is "what about the menz?" Then later the lesser beings might be allowed to comment

@SerafinasGoose

Does the bundle feature in the play based on the real life events in which the bundle featured (when it regularly forgot its lines and needed a prompter).

Listening to Peter Daly, I see that RMW on WH is what happens when ideology trumps legal strategy

@MrsOvertonsWindow thank you so much for the link re the lovely Peter ‘mean-boy’ Daly! What a real joy it was to listen to him and thoroughly recommend!

Whilst I wholeheartedly agree with Nauticant, I still think the thrashing around to continue to muddy the waters will not end well for the TRAs 🤞. Being forced to defend their position doesn’t seem to be going well at the moment!

Yes, it is trust, consensus and pragmatism.

The swimming pool I go to openly accepts that young boys under eight may be in the women’s changing room, or rather it asks that boys over eight do not change there. It also requests that people use the cubicles ( with space under the door) which are part of the changing room.

Of course no one is going to change this reasonable practice because of the ruling.

There are also some ‘third’ changing cubicles next to the pool.

Everyone can be happy.

Helen Joyce has just Tweeted that she’s going to be on WH this morning.

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I hope shops around the country have laid in supplies of kendal mint cake. There will be a lot of new mountain climbers today.

Maybe even a WH presenter or two.

R4 Continuity seem oddly bashful about letting us know what’s on WH this morning.

I wonder who else they are going to put on; perhaps the CEO of NHS Legal (can’t remember the name of the “insurance” dept) or head of Unite?

Thinking about RMW's point... we allow young boys in the women's changing rooms, does that mean a man with a mental age of 5 is allowed to use the women's changing rooms?

About time. Honestly it's ridiculous the ostracization of Helen by the BBC in favour of mediocre men, mainly, it seems to me. She's an absolutely brilliant speaker: clear, articulate, calm, intelligent, will respond to any question with a thoughtful answer rather than a soundbite. Head and shoulders above most interviewees, and really knowledgeable in this area. There's absolutely no justification for the way she's been treated by the BBC in particular but mainstream media in general. It's honestly shameful.

I suppose better late than never but I'll never forgive most of the mainstream media for preventing her from speaking up for women for so long. Annoyingly I'm in a meeting, but will be catching up later and looking forward to it. I may have a small party of one with tea and cakes. Let's hope many more appearances by Helen on the BBC and Women's Hour in particular to follow.

They don't invite Helen on and then they wonder why we're all off listening to Triggernometry and all the other podcasts where she (and people like Helen with non Stasi BBC approved views) HAS been invited. Honestly, they're so idiotic.

Would still have the post puberty body of an adult male with associated testosterone so no

And that is why I would prefer organisations were focusing on providing more facilities that can be used by adults with carers than on creating spaces for men with a fetish

Yes - that's the problem with this group of adult male narcissists having wedged themselves at the top of the oppression tree. So many groups with genuine needs and vulnerabilities yet organisations turn themselves inside out to pander to the demands of middle aged men determined to upend society and gain access to places where vulnerable people are - often undressing. Groups like the disabled, children, women including religious women, abused women and so on.

Trans ideology has distorted the whole equalities landscape to the detriment of the majority of society.

I'm now coming around to the point of view of being glad they had Robin on with Robin's comparison of tall, big Robinself, an employed barrister (allegedly) with Robin's deep voice to little boys.

I wonder who will be taking Robin to the toilet and wiping his bum for him since he made the comparison of Mums accompanying little boys into female sex toilets? Also, why he can't wipe his own bum? Does he have the intellectual capacity of an under 8 year old?

I think we need to keep talking about this very interesting point Robin made....

EuansGuide.com, Changing-Places.org, and revolootion.org.uk are all campaigning for this. I very much hope that they make useful headway.

Robin did basically say on air that he’s male with this comment.

That was meant to be a rhetorical question... but OK. Once a boy goes through male puberty he has an adult male body and whatever he does to it after that is cosmetic. A transwoman still has the physiology and psychology of an adult male. Hormones and surgery don't significantly change that.

(I'm not willing to speculate about boys whose puberty has been blocked and then given female hormones as they grow up, that's a whole other set of consequences)

That’s my next thought @Xiaoxiong, suddenly we’ll have an influx of religious transwimmin who insist they use these designated spaces.

It’s amazing how many people can’t see the difference between sex and gender.