I’m the girl banned for asking a transgender opponent: Are you a man?

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/9eac5e4f059c1924

Very brave young woman. Excellent article from Ben Rumsby.

"She has been banned from playing football for asking a transgender opponent: “Are you a man?” She has been discussed and debated on television, online and in parliament. She has become a symbol in the fight against those born male playing in women’s sport. And almost nobody knows who she is.
Until now."

Amazing young woman, so proud of her.

They wouldn't worry about that though; just edit out the indisputable bits.

For anyone who missed this - just take a look at the unbelievable number of men cheating their way to success in women's football.

Yes as the mother of a diagnosed autistic dd she's very much a believer in biology and not lies just being kind.

I, her mother, am pro women, gc. However, I don't really feel I can take any credit for my DD's opinions.

Cerys Vaughan is a hero.

Hoping her stand inspires many others worldwide.

The FA's sexism was awful.

Well we all know the reason why women are asked if they feel sympathy for the men. It's because biological women have been conditioned to think they should #bekind at all times.

This quote is amazing. So well said.

It is amazing. But it really shouldn't be.

It's terrible and absurd it's taken so long for it to be ok to say this.

It could have been question, then her answer, then end of, on Day 1

Well done Cerys. I hope you get an apology and I hope this cannot happen again. Bullied and gaslit for speaking the truth, it’s straight out of Orwell’s 1984.

It seems that the need to shield a male from hurt feelings is greater than the need to shield a female from potential physical harm and the loss of fairness and opportunity in the sport she loves.

As an aside, I’m not sure why this young amateur player is being referred to by her surname, instead of Miss Vaughan or Cerys. She’s an amateur player, not a professional, she was under 18 at the time all this was going on, and she is not a criminal.

Not sure of the BBC’s style guide but in this story about an amateur male player, he gets a courtesy title: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-54748410

It maybe shows up in the Truth/Correctness/Justice way of thinking. Those down near the bottom of the range will be more accepting without thinking it through. Those near the top will react strongly against anything not fact based. Also if there are ADHD traits I doubt that there’s anything you could do to stop someone saying “you’re a man” if that what was in their mind at any one moment! And to say they should keep it in (when otherwise it’s not harmful or abusive) is actually disability discrimination

ETA A high level of rules based compliance would also make someone tend to going along with TWAW if an authority figure says so. Especially when lots of other things in life about social situations arent well understood

I think the problem is that journalists have a history of not interrogating the other side at all - and still aren’t. If more of them had done that , eg ‘what do you say makes you a woman?’ ‘What is this based on?’ ‘What about the impact on women and girls?’ Etc, we probably wouldn’t have ended up with this situation. And they still aren’t challenging trans women on these points. And they don’t have to frame their questions to a teenage girl as expressing an expectation she feels sorry for the man who tried to force her from the game. They could just ask what would she say to him, which is more neutral, if they want to get her views.

The player had a beard?!!!

"According to The Telegraph, Vaughan admitted to asking a player who reportedly had a beard if they were a man."

Plain bullying. Well done Cerys for standing up to them.

Also it's reported she is in the process of being diagnosed with autism - THIS IS IRRELEVANT and potentially another stick to beat her with, or other women who speak p
out.

Dan Roan has been very good on this topic for the BBC. Paticularly during the Olympics boxing saga. He gets it completely along with Oliver Brown from The Telegraph.

It's the title of the article in The Telegraph.

What an amazing young woman. I'm so glad she has come forward and is being given a platform to counter some of the "what about the poor transwomen" narratives.

Perhaps I'm being too kind, but I felt Dan Roan asked her whether she felt sympathy for the male players because he knew what her answer would be and was giving her a chance to air her views on it.

Well done Cerys, you’re fantastic. And your “no” is right up there with Germaine Greer’s “I don’t care”. Well done.

Fair enough @impossibletoday

I concur and admire Cerys greatly, I'm delighted that she's been vindicated like this. The FA really ought to offer her a full apology, at the very least. Nothing will ever make up for her .missed games, of course.

Holy moly theres over 2000 comments and it only went up on the site 6 hours ago. This is a big story getting wide coverage by the look of it!

I agree. The counter-argument is not put to the TW player because of cancellation/looking like the bad guy. They don’t care enough about the women to risk the flak.

Actually, I think it's highly relevant. For one, I'm assuming that Cerys and her family have freely given the information that she is on the Autistic pathway, therefore they want this to be understood and part of her story. Secondly, I do wonder if this whole incident has been what's finally made her question whether she may be Neurodivergent. Certainly, it could fit with the timing of when this all happened. It's often a major life event that eventually leads people to seek diagnosis.

As an addition, there's potential that she may feel like pushing back against the large element of Autistic people who are indoctrinated in Trans ideology. To even up the numbers so to speak*

At least that's how it plays out for me thinking about this whole thing as a GC woman diagnosed with Autism.

*I know I do this; I want to shout from the rooftops that I'm not another captured Autistic person. And by god am I glad I grew up in the 70s and 80s!

My autistic teenagers are quite easy on the subject. They both have several friends who are trans/non binary, but very much Phil that sport is a no-go particularly as they both play football.
I think in another family DD would almost have certainly been non-binary but we from age dot have been very much avoiding gender stereotypes in everything. I was pretty anal about it and I do hope that that made a difference. DD likes very many typically male things sexually assaulting a metal version of a probably fictional never made it into an issue.