Stephen King can feck off, vol 3 or so

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1. Throws JK Rowling under the bus.
2. Espouses luxury beliefs.
3. Writes a book about all the women in the world going to sleep and then eventually deciding to leave the male-free utopia they find themselves in because look, the menz have totally fucked up and need them and it's their duty.
4. Donates signed books for an auction raising money for trans rights.
5. Latest tome is about the stalking of a feminist activist.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK.

Fuck off, Stephen. If you mean a real feminist activist, you're firmly on the side of the people doing the stalking.

If the cool girl male-centring kind, fuck off and stop mansplaining feminism.

Either way just FUCK OFF.

Yes I know I'm unreasonably irritated by this.

But honestly.

I used to love his books but the dark tower series turned to shit with him essentially killing everyone like he ran out of ideas his last decent book was the wind through the keyhole it's also I believe the last one I bought? I used to have all his books now I just have a few the dark tower and rose madder the rest are gone

Usually a straight couple.

Except that an individual was describing themself as that?

Probably a mixture of guilt and the desire to protect. Misguided, though.

loved the earlier books, gave up around Insomnia : too long, too self indulgent, too boring.

What are ‘luxury beliefs’?

That's a really great perspective, thank you for sharing it.

All these reverse ferreters will see that JKR is not only far more impactful, but she never, ever compromised herself. I hope their cowardice absolutely burns them internally.

Generally, where you can afford to be kind because you're rich enough and privileged enough never to have to deal with the shitty consequences. Those are for poorer, less privileged people but that's fine because Right Side of History etc.

See, mixed sex dv refuges and locking rapists in women's prisons, among others.

People who have never been raped thinking it's OK to do group therapy with male presenting transwomen

People who will never need to share a changing room/public toilets with transwomen and dangerous men

I haven't read anything by him in years so I haven't noticed any JKR references. Those would be recent, I take it.

One thing I used to notice was that over the years he's become a lot less subtle about dropping in signposts to his personal politics. If he introduces a character and randomly mentions that they're a Republican, you know they'll turn out to be a villain. It's boring and lazy. (See also: Carl Hiaasen)

I like authors where I can't tell anything about their politics from their novels, or I know something about their beliefs but then they surprise me by bringing in a different perspective than I might have expected. They're supposed to be people with imaginations.

I believe that's what the kids used to call a
'pansexual enby', and what the kids before them used to call a 'non-binary bisexual', and what the majority of people today refer to as 'who the bloody hell cares, why is this in your twitter bio?'

I thought you were being unnecessarily rude about Stephen king's daughter by saying that but I clicked the link, read the bio, and yep, that's what it says on the website, word for word! 👀

"Throws JK Rowling under the bus."

I said something similar on another thread- as rich as she isn't she isn't the centre of the universe and certainly shouldn't be the centre of every discussion that has anything to do with LGBT people. Trans discussions aside she also talks for gay people a lot too even though as I understand she isn't even gay herself?

I don't get the current obsession about sorting every single actor, celeb and public figure into categories whether they "agree" or "disagree with" JK Rowling.
Anytime someone mentions something about LGBT people or rights we don't need to always run to compare it to what JKR thinks.

Also the term used here "throw her under the bus" seems a little extreme if we're just talking about SK having a different view? I had to correct someone offline about something similar- a friend (who doesn't follow this topic and only overheard a couple of things briefly) was left thinking Daniel/Rupert/Emma were saying horrible things about JKR when in fact all they had done was speak up in support of LGBT people and hadn't even mentioned her. Almost as if there's some sort of manipulation going on with choice of words?

He publicly stuck up for her out of the blue, got his head stamped on for it after she thanked him and then backtracked leaving her to a fresh onslaught of abuse.

There was no need to say anything in the first place. So yes, he picked her up and threw her under a bus.

He's a nasty piece of work for doing that, there was no need. He's a coward.

I agree. I lost a lot of respect for him right then.

Many years ago I was given a book that contained his collected interviews ( at the point of publication) with various magazines including Playboy.
He let his wife,Tabitha, do the heavy lifting when he started to write and continued when she had their first child.

I loved his books as a teenager and recently re-read IT and holy God it is boring as fuck. And the group sex scene is minging.

I've never understood his popularity, tbh. Occasionally there's a good one, like The Green Mile, but I find his stuff mostly just really bloated and it goes nowhere. I know he doesn't plan, and I think it shows; even fans agree he can't do endings, which infuriates me. It's a story, it's all about the ending! Where is this going, what is the point, how does it all tie up, where is my satisfaction?

With JKR I know she knows where she's going and she's a trustworthy guide. King is just blundering blind, he doesn't know his world any better than I do. I don't know why, having done his first draft, he doesn't redraft the plot so it works better now he knows what the weak spots are?

Obviously it works for him, he's hugely successful. But I don't get it. He is very disciplined and prolific so maybe it's just the result of constantly banging stuff out.

Did SK personally make abusive comments towards her?

Full Dark, No Stars. A coded character, but it plays into a long-standing literary trope.

Sorry, Christinapple - you’re concerned about a ‘manipulation of words’ - that is hands down the funniest thing you’ve ever posted

Are you having me on dude? Fucking hell

Writes a book about all the women in the world going to sleep and then eventually deciding to leave the male-free utopia they find themselves in because look, the menz have totally fucked up and need them and it's their duty.

He wrote what?

That one escaped me until now. His output's too large to keep full track of as to me his books are more miss than hit, although I found some of his earlier, stronger novels very good.

I suppose after the questionable IT scene that's any misogynist's wet dream, not to mention the deeply grim Nadine/Randall Cragg thing in The Stand, nothing should have come as a surprise. The evil members of the True Knot in Doctor Sleep are mostly lesbian or bisexual as well, and use sex to achieve their desired outcomes.

All a bit 'pass the eye bleach', innit?

Derivative, too. He so obviously lifts the Shelob idea straight out of Tolkein.

I believe in free speech and debate, and am equally ok with listening to Rowlings and Kings thoughts on the trans conversation personally, so this doesn't bother me. You never know where they are coming from. Perhaps he has a close friend or family member who is trans he wants to support. (I personally have a family member I love who is toying with the female to male transition so don't come at me, I like to keep an open questioning mind on all the issues rather than knee jerking anything.)

King writes horror books and it's a topical subject so the victim in the story makes sense to me, he wants to stir up feelings, but as a writer he has always had a bit of an edge hasn't he? Gerald's game has some horrific scenes between the dad and the daughter during the eclipse. I really enjoy his writing style but sometimes his content is repulsive too. Stalking a feminist activist seems quite tame in comparison. I consider him a brilliant but very problematic creator, but I can't deny when he is on form that his words flow through my brain like moving pictures and I almost forget I am reading rather than say watching a film. So few writers can take me outside of myself like that.