Does anyone else feel disheartened?

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I was so elated at the ruling and the implications for women's sex-based protections.

And I am happy that certain media outlets have realised (begrudgingly in some cases) that refusing to air the concerns of women over the last decade has lead to a very one-sided debate. It's great to see orgs such as Sex Matters being quoted so extensively now.

However, I'm really disheartened by the sheer scale of the push back and by the fact that so many women don't support the ruling. I mean, why would anyone think that women don't deserve fair and safe sporting opportunities, for example? Why is it always women that are expected to forgo their rights?

The Supreme Court ruling should be definitive, but it doesn't feel like the end. There is the judge bringing the case to the ECHR (I know some legal experts have dismissed any chances of success), but I think activists are going to pile a lot of pressure on the government to make concessions and look at amending the law. The disquiet about the ruling amongst so many Labour MPs about the ruling is concerning me.

Is anyone else feeling a bit dejected?

I never agreed to discuss the analysis. I only ever offered to discuss your initial assertion about the Declaration itself. That you are now frustrated that I won't let myself be dragged into a different discussion is your problem, not mine.

The message of the Declaration is clear: they don't care about trans women, as long as they don't come into women's spaces. End of story.

I've been here longer than many of you and I know how this works.You've already derailed this from "are we feeling disheartened?" to "how dare you suggest we want to chase trans people out of society?"

My point is, you are getting the "disheartening" pushback you are because you can't keep your utter contempt for us to yourselves. All your fine talk about "safety dignity and privacy" quickly turns to denigration and disgust at the slightest opportunity, as we see here.

I've been here longer than many of you

Six years, you say?

Have you heard of this amazing band called Nirvana?

Or it could be that your attitude towards women stinks and you’re being told so. I thought you were a woman? Don’t you know women are supposed to #bekind and not argue or whinge when their rights are being removed? Or is that only for actual women, not the “special” women?

Men who come onto a women’s board and deliberately disrupt the women who are discussing their feelings over a difficult situation deserve all our contempt.

This is so odd.
I cannot fathom in what way asserting the sex-based rights of females can possibly 'eliminate' trans people.
Why do males need to go into females' safe spaces or take females' prizes in order to be alive?
Why can't males either use males' spaces or compete for males' prizes (or as in many sports compete in the 'open' category), or if they are fearful of other males, start or campaign for more trans spaces and prizes? As to the latter, governments and global corporations are male-dominated the world over and many are very keen on showing solidarity with transwomen so it would be pushing on an open door.

One of these men is not like the others.

Nice try.

Who? Why?

Indeed soupycustard let alone how is it that women having legal same-sex spaces for women is "chasing trans people out of society" ????

Trans people can still crack on in society no one's minded.

Nice conspiracy theory you've got there. Shame it doesn't reflect reality.

https://www.womensdeclaration.com/en/declaration-womens-sex-based-rights-full-text/ is the full text. My browser has a function to search for text within a page. Nowhere does that declaration call for the "elimination" of trans people.

By lying, you prove that you have no legitimate argument.

Oh, are people still doing the "everyone who knows what a woman is has the same attitude towards them" thing? Aka the Oscar Schindler Gambit. Hitler and Schindler both knew what a Jew was, therefore Schindler is Hitler, you see. And if we want to save Jews from Hitler, we absolutely must pretend we don't know what a Jew is, because that will make Jews safer. And if you don't agree, intersex 6' bearded transmen bigot spectrum dingbat teapot orange.

Stick around for another six years and you might work it out.

Why didn't TRA's ever campaign for safe and fair spaces for trans people rather than demand women's spaces get handed over to everyone?

GC feminists have been suggesting safe and perfectly normal ideas for trans people to navigate in society for a decade or more (not to chase them out in the slightest, but embrace them in the diverse and welcoming society we all know and love) for example mixed-sex spaces alongside the same-sex spaces such as in sports, refuges etc etc. All of our suggestions have been thrown out with the baby in the bathwater because TRA don't want reasonable solutions.

Why is it the end game of TRA extremism wasn't just to abolish same-sex spaces for women but also to destroy the definition of the word "woman" itself?
It's like MRA woman hating on steroids with demonic possession on the side.

Seriously, if TRA had worked with women and alongside us I'm sure we'd be the best of friends.

But they didn't want that. Now they're all tantrumming. Well, boo hoo. Now go sit in your room.

Read it yourself and do your own thinking. Outsourcing critical thinking to others is a large part of how gender identitarianism took off in the first place.

We're going to need a bigger card.

They are all horrors. Which one do you simp for?

The tantrums are the point, tbh.

They are very angry that women won't just gosh darn do as they're told.

Men aren't women.

Literally no one is suggesting that men be criminalised for wearing dresses.

So let me get this straight - as someone who isn't a regular on this board and might have missed something - the Declaration didn't say that trans people should be eliminated, and no one here has said that trans people should be eliminated. But asking to retain our sex-based rights, given to us because of systemic societal inequalities caused by the differences between the sexed bodies of males and females, is still in and of itself an elimination?
I can't see how that can be argued.

The one who is very much not like the others.

Men will never be women.

It doesn't matter how angry this makes anyone.

It doesn't even matter what the Supreme court says, tbh.

It remains the case that sex is dimorphic and immutable, and it will always remain the case.

Furthermore, women will not wheesht.

All celebrity misogynists look and sound the same to me. This is like Guess Who!

Q: Do they have any criminal cases against them?

They make shit up. That's the problem.