Guilty Feminist on Triggernometry

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I’m trying to listen to Deborah Frances White on Triggernometry but having to do it in very small increments for the sake of my blood pressure.

Konstantin is remaining incredibly calm, Deborah is losing her mind via passive aggression, and after only 15 mins I was shouting “but which ones have the babies Deborah?” at my phone.

Its worth a listen even if just for entertainment value. It’s quite long so I think it’ll take me a week to get through unless I start day drinking.

I listened to the whole shebang yesterday. I dont think she went on to debate the other side, she went on to flog her book.

Outside of gender bollocks ( cancellation, EDI initiatives etc) some of her points were valid, but nothing a GCSE politics student couldn't have come up with.

But when it came to gender, she had to resort to analogies so thinly stretched they were wafer thin (bus driver clowns, very select number of indigenous groups, Oscar wildes hair). Had KK been more on top of this as a subject matter, could have been torn to shreds. He didn't even land that sex and gender are not the same thing. As many have posted before, her arguments were largely based around, " if only we could stop noticing men pretending to be women, every would be fine". I think we just need to squint our eyes a bit more ladies.

Her fake shock at KK saying indigenous people were wiped out because western civilizations were more technologically advanced was a lovely example of how TRAs take perfectly ordinary facts, and make them shocking things that are not true and must not be said. I am sure I heard a Buttergasp at some point.

The faux psychoanalysis at the end was so so so bad, but she kept going. Heading into dicier and dicier territory.

I found her voice very irritating. They let her drone on way too much. But most of all, she identifies as a comedian??? I have had funnier smear tests.

(I went on the listen to the next one. It was a Pro Trump dude. Didn't agree with much of what he said, and in places he was truly scary, but he made arguments waaaayyyyy more cohesively than Victoria. No wonder people are heading over to the right. They aren't wanging on about indigenous bus driver clowns.)

'I dont think she went on to debate the other side, she went on to flog her book'

Totally. I wonder if she's fuming with Johann Hari for telling her to go on there 😁

If anybody wants an antidote to the bus driving clowns and endless waffle, I recommend Julie Bindel's interview with Brendan O'Neill on his Spiked podcast (YouTube). He has been a steadfast supporter of GC women and really understands the impact of the gender madness on women and girls. Julie is a frigging rockstar as usual. She shared a bit about her own personal reaction to the SC judgement which was really interesting and moving

I think she genuinely (albeit without having thought at all deeply about it) that there are two sides in a culture war, and that if the side that is basically right (her side) were only willing and able to talk rationally with the other side, and vice versa, then the TRAs could make tiny compromises and the bigots on the other side would all agree with the new TRA-lite position.

I think that she genuinely believed that KK and FF are hard right bigots, and that she could tear them to shreds with her genius because she is an intelligent left-winger. She genuinely seems to believe that because she read some TRA propaganda on Australian aborigines she is some sort of elite level global intellectual. She genuinely seems to believe that she would impress the podcast audience (seemingly she seemed to think that she would convince their audience, and even if she failed she would win the debate because her audience would all watch and agree with her).

Her absolute lack of empathy was astonishing.

I found the whole 2 1/2 hours fascinating, because I find human psychology fascinating, and considering what the hell was going through her mind is just an beautiful endless intellectual challenge.

I listened to the whole shebang yesterday. I dont think she went on to debate the other side, she went on to flog her book.

I agree. She doesn't need to persuade any of the podcast's audience. She just needs clips from the podcast that generate publicity. As much as we think it's nonsense, I imagine other people are seeing 'Guilty Feminist destroys right wing podcasters' in their social media feeds.

'Her absolute lack of empathy was astonishing'

I agree. She seemed pretty unmoved by KK and FF's stories about their own backgrounds towards the end of the interview. It was beyond inappropriate for her to try to psychoanalyze them like she did but she just kept pushing. She's already established that she's got no empathy whatsoever for women who want to keep men out of our spaces

Omg I’m wading through this

wtf

Her arguments make no sense

especially after she sets out a landscape within which discourse is really important

😣

She doesn’t bloody listen.

she hears what she wants to hear

it’s like hearing the argument skills of a 6 yr old.

Not sure Trigger guys gave the most effective responses to her assertions

the indigenous people argument wasn’t about transgender people. Trans has morphed into a pathological disorder which requires treatment. Thats the issue.

cultures that “allowed” ppl to be gender non conforming is a totally different thing. And our western society does “allow”gender non conformity. Granted it feels sexism has crept back in in the last decades or so, but you don’t get stoned for breaking gender stereotypes.

Totally. Posters up thread nailed it. Her arguments are all based on aesthetics and what is viewed as culturally normal.

Shes spent so long creating content and having everyone listen to her and her views, she hasnt given herself time to hear what the opposing views are.

Im trying to listen, but i can only stand so much at once. Its going to take forever to get through.

Omg

so she doesn’t want comedians saying jokes as per Jimmy Carr re gypsies in case it enters the playground. And we can drive a car.

and can’t process the same analogy for children and the concept of trans because 2spirit innit.

She is the new James O'Brien... increasing hard to endure over time, but immediately and entirely unlistenable the moment he released a book about "How not to be wrong"

It’s been reviewed by James Marriott in The Times. He gives it one star.

“probably the single worst debate I have ever heard...listening to this conversation is about as intellectually edifying as watching two drunks headbutt each other in a pub car park"

https://archive.is/28fGF

'probably the single worst debate I have ever heard ' - that's making me feel like going back and persisting to the bitter end! 😂

I genuinely cannot see how he can say "Both antagonists have made successful careers telling their audiences what they want to hear (woke=good; woke=bad) and both seem to have rendered themselves mentally incapable of coping with another point of view."

It is ABSOLUTELY clear to me that, whilst no-one is perfect, KK and FF genuinely try to listen to different points of view, and not only that they are willing to change their minds if the arguments are good (they didn't start off gender critical like they are now did they?)

He has Deborah bang to rights though.

James Marriott is clearly a woke idiot and I cannot read any more of his moronic review.

I couldn't get past the teaser clip!

I think KK did get trapped in the weeds of arguing about what was normal and got pulled into a pointless debate about colonialism.

More relevant - can the clown drive? Are the clown shoes and the clown nose safe?

I think that KK proved that you can't argue with stupid, you can only get dragged down to their level (or towards their level).

Had he wanted to rationally demolish all of her points the interview would have gone on for days. His job is to let her speak in order that the audience can judge her arguments on their merits - it is not all about getting in the counter-arguments and proving the other person wrong.

Yes, I agree that does make the JM criticism rather unfair.

'probably the single worst debate I have ever heard ' - that's making me feel like going back and persisting to the bitter end! 😂'

It honestly gets steadily worse. She starts off BADLY with the bus driving clowns, but by the end I literally had my head in my hands. The last 10 minutes or so are truly dismal - inappropriate, manipulative, tone deaf, egotistical and really shocking

I worked in non-fiction publishing. They do get an opportunity to offer feedback. We would usually try to take into account their preferences but they are just one of many voices in the process - editorial, design, sales and marketing would all contribute to feedback, and ultimately the commissioning editor would get final say because they are the internal 'owner' of the book as a product.

I do think she has a point on the way Konstantin comes back with those blunt statements. I’ll give her that. Kudos to Francis, he sits there listening for two hours and then is devastatingly succinct in response to a fairly offensive line of questioning.

It may have been said before (I’ve not RTFT), but her comment about bus driving clowns not being noticed after a year if 30% bus drivers were clowns, makes me suspect that that’s why the BBC keeps on (& on, & on) broadcasting about drag queens. Someone is trying to get us used to sexual fetishes being on display.

I now think of DQs as bus driving clowns.

James Marriott is clearly a woke idiot and I cannot read any more of his moronic review.

I really like James Marriott and his regular weekly column is usually intelligent and thoughtful. And I don't think he's woke.

But I do agree that, from what little I saw of this debate, DFW came off much the worse.

Watched a bit more. DFW argues that aboriginals have brother boys and sister girls and are therefore more human and archaic. And 'indigenous' peoples exist in a state of archaic untouched naive wonder - to paraphrase. Has she ever heard of the noble savage?

I really have the feeling she doesn't understand several of the words she's using.

KK is saying that if 99% of the human population have one practise, that's the more human practise, which seems reasonable.