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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Finding GC/sex realist men to date

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GCdater · 28/04/2025 18:43

I've spent the last decade living in a country that's very captured by gender ideology but will soon be moving back to Britain. My reasons to move are personal and family related, but I have followed gender issues for several years, including all the hard won victories by the British terven (and the Cass report etc). These changes make me hopeful that I will be able to find some like-minded women friends.

But, I will be coming back as a single woman and having been out of the dating pool for a long time, I'm wondering what it's like to date as a GC/sex realist woman... I'm in my late forties and will be looking to date men in a similar age range (basically Gen X). I used to be a typical Guardian reader and the sectors I've worked in are all typically "captured", but I defected to The Times and I'm pretty much centrist politically now.

I know that for younger women, including women in their thirties, there is significant pressure to conform ideologically on the gender issue, including from men in that age range. I see such a range of stories about men on here, from misogynist lefty men hectoring women to men who think it's all nonsense. It's difficult to get a sense of what I'll be likely to encounter once I start meeting people/going on dates etc (this obviously presupposes I'll be able to get a date in the first place, and I know the dating pool of forties/fifties men is much smaller but that's a whole other issue!).

Am I right in thinking that Gen X men are far more likely to think it's all nonsense? Or is this wishful thinking?

I'm a realist and just meeting men who don't believe TWAW and understand that sex matters is really all I'd be looking for on this front, even if they need to be in stealth mode about it. There are obviously multiple other areas of importance around compatibility in dating and this is just one thing - I just cannot contemplate getting into a relationship with a man who literally believes in gender woo!

I'm interested to hear about women's experience dating as GC/sex realist, especially in my age range, and also the men who read and comment on here - do you feel like you're in a minority among other men?

I did read a post about "dating as a terf" on MN a while ago (more than a year I think). But it seemed to be from a younger woman telling men upfront on dating apps that she was a terf (and using the word terf specifically) which was off putting to lots of men by the sound of it, and she was getting a very negative responses from them. She did get some advice about signalling more subtly her GC views on dating apps as a way to filter men out, so that's an option, but I'm interested more broadly for now about what men's views are in general and women's experiences in dating and starting relationships as a GC/sex realist.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

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MarieDeGournay · 29/04/2025 10:36

How being a lesbian affects how you read thread titles:
I initially read this as
'finding GC/sex realist men as of today 29/04/2025'
then I thought - oh wait, she means to date not 'to date'😂

There don't seem to be a lot of them about, so the good news is you have no competition from meGrin

Roxietrees · 29/04/2025 12:59

GCdater · 28/04/2025 18:43

I've spent the last decade living in a country that's very captured by gender ideology but will soon be moving back to Britain. My reasons to move are personal and family related, but I have followed gender issues for several years, including all the hard won victories by the British terven (and the Cass report etc). These changes make me hopeful that I will be able to find some like-minded women friends.

But, I will be coming back as a single woman and having been out of the dating pool for a long time, I'm wondering what it's like to date as a GC/sex realist woman... I'm in my late forties and will be looking to date men in a similar age range (basically Gen X). I used to be a typical Guardian reader and the sectors I've worked in are all typically "captured", but I defected to The Times and I'm pretty much centrist politically now.

I know that for younger women, including women in their thirties, there is significant pressure to conform ideologically on the gender issue, including from men in that age range. I see such a range of stories about men on here, from misogynist lefty men hectoring women to men who think it's all nonsense. It's difficult to get a sense of what I'll be likely to encounter once I start meeting people/going on dates etc (this obviously presupposes I'll be able to get a date in the first place, and I know the dating pool of forties/fifties men is much smaller but that's a whole other issue!).

Am I right in thinking that Gen X men are far more likely to think it's all nonsense? Or is this wishful thinking?

I'm a realist and just meeting men who don't believe TWAW and understand that sex matters is really all I'd be looking for on this front, even if they need to be in stealth mode about it. There are obviously multiple other areas of importance around compatibility in dating and this is just one thing - I just cannot contemplate getting into a relationship with a man who literally believes in gender woo!

I'm interested to hear about women's experience dating as GC/sex realist, especially in my age range, and also the men who read and comment on here - do you feel like you're in a minority among other men?

I did read a post about "dating as a terf" on MN a while ago (more than a year I think). But it seemed to be from a younger woman telling men upfront on dating apps that she was a terf (and using the word terf specifically) which was off putting to lots of men by the sound of it, and she was getting a very negative responses from them. She did get some advice about signalling more subtly her GC views on dating apps as a way to filter men out, so that's an option, but I'm interested more broadly for now about what men's views are in general and women's experiences in dating and starting relationships as a GC/sex realist.

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Are you comfortable sharing what country you’re in? Just purely out of interest..

Taytayslayslay · 29/04/2025 18:06

Might be being dense but what does GC mean?

WarriorN · 29/04/2025 18:13

Gender (stereotyping) critical

WarriorN · 29/04/2025 18:14

I reckon most gen x are sex realists.

as pp say, the arts are more captured and seems to include as many men as women.

the engineering/ contractors/ architecture world, which can be quite arty too, is jolly realistic if it helps.

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 29/04/2025 18:22

What country are you currently in OP? Just taking note, so I can avoid it…

DogeCon · 29/04/2025 18:56

Roxietrees · 29/04/2025 10:04

Well in my world (late 30s, mix of straight/gay friends, feminists, mostly liberal, I know a couple of trans people) most people are firmly of the belief, men included, that TWAW and that there is a difference between sex and gender. Some have mixed beliefs when it comes to female only spaces, myself included. Splitting up families though..really?! I know my mum who’s in her 70s doesn’t “believe” in trans people but she’s a completely different generation, I wouldn’t force a modern believe system on her. It’s really not even worth arguing about. She also voted for brexit - which was a MUCH bigger issue. It’s not just lefty people, it’s the majority I’d say (you won’t get a realistic picture on MN - everyone on here’s anti trans) if you narrowed your dating pool to hard right-wingers you’ll be in luck I’m sure, but then you’d have to date a wanker

I know someone else has posted the results of the yougov poll, but you really must start to accept that you are the one with the fringe view. My guess is that what you think is people agreeing with you is preference falsification due to fear of reprisals a la Allison Bailey and others.

Have you considered whether this might be a factor in your social circle?

Roxietrees · 29/04/2025 19:19

DogeCon · 29/04/2025 18:56

I know someone else has posted the results of the yougov poll, but you really must start to accept that you are the one with the fringe view. My guess is that what you think is people agreeing with you is preference falsification due to fear of reprisals a la Allison Bailey and others.

Have you considered whether this might be a factor in your social circle?

I did a quick google - 2024 results of a yougov poll said 40%, I didn’t make it up. But I also didn’t have all day to look throughly into the stats - so they may well not be accurate/up to date. Definitely on the fringe on MN, hence why there’s never any point in having discussion about gender on here. I’m certainly not on the fringe in my life - my work colleagues, family members that are around 10 years either side of me in age, parents at my kid’s school, and my friends - all very much of the opinion that TWAW, but I also surround myself with liberal people, tbh very few people I know are anything but liberal, so may be because of that. My views are mixed, which I find irritating because the debate is very polarised and (as women) you’re either a terf (v. offensive word where I come from) or a TR extremist. I think grown adults have lost the ability to have a reasonable discussion on this particular topic or to listen to other points of view without being shouted down (which I’m sure will happen now so I’m not going to bother with anymore messages after this) or labelled trans phobic or an extremist 🤷‍♀️

FrippEnos · 29/04/2025 21:07

SexRealist

So im(very limited, naturally)e Gen X men are generally cowardly, thoughtless but sensible.

So they are the same as many women have been?

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 30/04/2025 17:10

I’m choosing not to date for the foreseeable (too many failed marriages and a teen daughter at home!) but I am a regular gym goer and get politely approached fairly regularly. No one at my gym believes men and women are interchangeable concepts - it’s obvious in grip strength and max weight lifted (and obvious in the opposite direction in terms of flexibility/range of motion).

If I did want to date my biggest issue would be age difference as most interest comes from
men in their late 20s/early 30s and my personal minimum is my eldest child’s age (currently 25) + half my age when I had him (24/2 =12) so my current minimum is 37.

This is my personal variant on the half your own age + 7 equation (which works out as 31 currently). I invented my own version to try and maximise the chances that any man I might meet locally is connected to my social circle rather than my adult child’s social circle! Also hopefully avoiding men with mummy issues.

TLDR: Stay off the dating apps and instead find social activities that include a physical element, that way you’ll likely avoid the worst of the Biology-Deniers.

GCdater · 01/05/2025 01:14

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 30/04/2025 17:10

I’m choosing not to date for the foreseeable (too many failed marriages and a teen daughter at home!) but I am a regular gym goer and get politely approached fairly regularly. No one at my gym believes men and women are interchangeable concepts - it’s obvious in grip strength and max weight lifted (and obvious in the opposite direction in terms of flexibility/range of motion).

If I did want to date my biggest issue would be age difference as most interest comes from
men in their late 20s/early 30s and my personal minimum is my eldest child’s age (currently 25) + half my age when I had him (24/2 =12) so my current minimum is 37.

This is my personal variant on the half your own age + 7 equation (which works out as 31 currently). I invented my own version to try and maximise the chances that any man I might meet locally is connected to my social circle rather than my adult child’s social circle! Also hopefully avoiding men with mummy issues.

TLDR: Stay off the dating apps and instead find social activities that include a physical element, that way you’ll likely avoid the worst of the Biology-Deniers.

Thank you :) Choosing sports/physical activities has been suggested by a few other PPs as well.

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