Green Party calls for single-sex guidance to be withdrawn

[RipleyJones]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g355v07l2o.amp

The Green Party have been a waste of space for a long time.

It was the bit when she said lesbians are all in favour of sharing our spaces that got my goat. Er no!

I've seen quite a few people quoting a survey showing Lesbians support transwomen. Not clear what it's source is.

https://justlikeus.org/news/2023/03/31/trans-day-of-visibility-ally-lesbian/#:~:text=Lesbians%20are%20the%20most%20supportive%20of%20trans,or%20%E2%80%9Cvery%20supportive%E2%80%9D%20of%20trans%20people%20(96%).

Lesbians are the most supportive of trans people
Of all LGBT+ identities, other than trans and non-binary people themselves, lesbian young adults were most likely to say they know a trans person (92%), and most likely to say they are “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people (96%).

In comparison, 89% of LGBT+ people overall said they were “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people, and just 69% of non-LGBT+ people said the same.

What does 'supportive' mean? I'm supportive of trans people in that I'd support them not being discriminated against or subject to violence etc, but I'm not supportive in men using women's spaces which is what all the fuss is about.
It really depends on how the question was framed.

‘Just Like Us will publish a full report this June

The data forms part of a new report by Just Like Us (the LGBT+ young people’s charity) called Positive Futures, due to be published on 1 June.

Just Like Us’ research was carried out independently by Cibyl in January 2023.’

1st June.. interesting how it’s not published yet, when the research was undertaken in January 2023 🤔

https://justlikeus.org/news/2023/03/31/trans-day-of-visibility-ally-lesbian/

Exactly this. I am fully supportive of a trans person’s right to exist presenting as the opposite sex but this does not translate to my support of biological males using women’s spaces.

There is a difference between allowing a women only event choosing to include transwomen (and making it clear), and being obliged to. Until the SC judgment that was not the choice, or understood to be the choice.

It was fairly obvious that activists were going to lose their mind for a while...start plotting fantastical stunts, behaving badly, refusing to face reality or accept limits of any kind.

We've got a whole generation of people brought up to think that everything in life is all about them being their " best" or "true selves" and doing whatever they want.

Did they ask the male lesbians or the female lesbians whether they wanted to share their spaces with transwomen?

The Green Party really are choosing this hill to die on.
I’m surprised although not completely shocked as they have so much skin in the game. They did have the option of quietly standing to one side and supporting trans people to work through third options.
But no….

Interesting to see that the BBC’s use of biological men/women/male throughout this article to clarify what is meant. Makes a change.

This is the survey of young people. If I’m reading this right most were University students of which 277 were lesbians.

https://www.justlikeus.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Positive-Futures-report-by-Just-Like-Us-compressed-for-mobile.pdf

Men who self identified as lesbians were consulted over whether they wanted trans women at lesbian events?

I read that headline and my immediate thoughts were: 1) the Green Party does not believe women deserve to be or feel safe and 2) to those who haven’t been immersed in GC commentary as long as most of us, they must sound absolutely crazy. As they so often like to tell us, trans people are a tiny percentage of the population - appealing to them is not going to win any elections. So why do they do it?!

I am concerned that this is where there will be strategic litigation.

The Supreme Court ruling is clear that something cannot say it is single sex and admit the other sex. It cannot say it is for same sex attracted people and admit people who are heterosexual.

Therefore, an association cannot restrict its membership to only lesbians and transwomen, because they do not share the same protected characteristic.

Now, we may be happy with that law. It is what will ultimately cause Girl Guides to be either single sex or entirely mixed sex. But we would be naive to think that there are not many many people out there who really really want to organise such groups. And who really really want to challenge this law.

The question is, if they do, who has the legal standing to take them to court who would actually want to do that? I think they would need to be taken to court by someone who they were illegally excluding? Rather than, for example, the EHRC?

I don’t think they need to go to court to get permission to set one up? They can set it up and then wait to be challenged?

And if they do campaign for a change in the law and win, we are nearly back to where we were with associations. With the small win that they are definitely permitted to exclude males from a female lesbian group if they want to.

Note this only applies to associations. Services (eg rape centres) are entirely different and I am confident the law won’t change there, but obviously relies on the service provider wanting to provide the single sex service.

I think the Green Party should get back to campaigning about the environment. I might vote for them if they did. No way would I vote for them now.

I've just emailed my local Green Party candidate to say I agree with all the priorities on the election bumph (sustainable transport, home insulation etc) and was looking forward to being able to vote for her again, but this ongoing lack of support for the rights of women and girls means I can't. Way to not let the ruling be a way to move on from a toxic, off-brand issue, Greens.

A difficulty with that survey is that, in the absence of meaningful definitions, there may well be some MtF self-identified lesbians who are responding in the affirmative.

And which lesbians were asked.

Bearing in mind that the ones who aren't all for cotton ceilings and enforced mixed sex lesbianing - at least when being demanded to recite the catechism - have long since been bullied out of, excluded from and left the 'LGBT community' which these days is merely the 'we all support gender politics' community.

This law merely ALLOWS women to say no if they want to. Without legal harassment and worse.

The Green party want that legal protection removed. Nuff said really. If it isn't needed, it won't be used. So why worry about it existing?

Do they even try to save the planet anymore or are they now fully focused on trying to destroy women's rights?

I’m not sure they ever really did the former.

They can just fuck off. It’s such a shame. They used to be all about, you know, environmental issues, but now?? They’re a useless shower of shite, all about protecting men.

How on earth are we supposed to vote in these local elections? None of the parties other than the Tories even know what a woman is without a Judge telling them so and half of them don't think that is particularly important.
Edit to add I do not want to vote Tory and won't even mention Rm.

I know there's always crowdfunding, but at least we can rest assured that the Green Party don't have any money to take this on.

I thought this too!

These 'supportive' lesbians.

Are they female lesbians or male lesbians? I think the data might be skewed.