Prominent transphobe found guilty of multiple counts of child sexual abuse across a 20 year period.

[ButterflyHatched]

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned at all - I tried to find a thread covering this verdict and got no returns.

A prominent transphobe, Nicola Murray, has been found guilty of repeated counts of child sexual abuse against four children across a 20 year period in West Lothian and Perthshire.

Bloody hell. Absolutely disgusting crimes when committed by anyone, but coming from a well known domestic abuse activist who of all people should have known better is particularly horrifying. I hope this doesn't end up harming Brodie's Trust too badly as an organisation and the important work that they do for survivors of domestic abuse - to discover your founder is responsible for such evil acts has got to be devastating.

From the vile behaviours described in the article, including the use of transphobic slurs against a child for daring to style their hair after their favourite pop star, she appears to have been completely deranged and consumed by her hatred of the differences exhibited by those poor children. Looks like she never succeeded in overcoming her hatred for trans people, which it explains why it spilled out into and marred her activism.

It must have taken immense courage for those young people to speak up about her abusive behaviour, but thankfully it seems this is one of the rare occasions where victims are believed and taken seriously when coming forward.

I'm glad this has been brought up, I saw it on Transgender UK Reddit and wondered what it related to. Ultimately it seems to have been received as "Look, she's one of you! All GCs are evil child abusers!" (I did see a comment on Reddit along the lines of this "exposing" that GC thought is a "front", which all gets a bit Q Anon ).

What this woman did was fucking awful. She deserves to rot in jail and I'm glad she's been caught and prosecuted. But it's so lazily disingenuous to say she was on our "side" therefore she's "one of us" and we therefore condone or support child abuse.

Sharing someone's views on one subject doesn't create an overlap on all other views. Putin - reportedly - likes roast lamb. I like roast lamb. Am I now supporting the annexation of Crimea?

I recall several posts by @ButterflyHatchedclaiming that they somehow had been able to access puberty blockers many many years before they were even used in the UK, and other such outlandish (and false) claims.
When I see another post, I automatically assume now that it’s likely to be the same misleading bollocks.

That is making excuses. It is inexcusable.

Oh dear @ButterflyHatched, that’s a crap attempt. Must try harder 2/10

This is all over social media - ‘prominent anti trans activist’… ‘terfs is a nonce’…

So prominent most of us have never heard of her!

When GC, feminist women try and cover up for her, then the TRAs might have a point. Can't see any of that, only condemnation. I hope she rots in jail and is never allowed near children again.

On the other hand:

Amy Challenor had extremely dodgy connections to child abuse and produced arguably illegal material and managed to get his child rapist dad appointed to a political position. He later went onto join the Greens and it took a large scale protest across reddit to get the company to remove him as a paid admin after all this was known.

Jessica Yaniv was supported by TRAs and the Canadian justice system to sexually abuse minority women in poverty who didn't want to handle his genitals in their homes. Also has child abuse allegations.

Cameron Dowling is a convicted sex predator who was known to threaten women and given a post as an SNP Equalities officer anyway. He was later granted access to a women's shelter. This was defended by TRAs.

Many more such cases.

OP, it's taken you 4 full months to find something to attack the women on here with and that's all you've got!!

Yes, the TRAs are trying to link this scumbag with FWS and JKR

It's a trans activist!

So?

Ironic that feminists are quite happy to tar all trans activists with the pedo tag but not happy when the same happens from the other side!

Hypocritical much?

Erm, the issue is that [biological male] trans prisoners are 18x more likely according to ONS stats to be sexual offenders than non trans biological males. Holding GC beliefs, however, doesn’t correlate to a higher than national average incidence of sex offending and violence.

On the basis of your logic, as I believe another poster has pointed out somewhere on MN, given Hitler was a vegetarian, should we now also assume that all vegetarians are homophobic, antisemitic, mass murdering Nazis?

The poster thought I was calling out the offender being gay.

I wasn't.

So no hypocrisy there.

The hypocrisy is that the misogynists were happy to tag all feminists with the paedo tag. There's your hypocrisy!

I've never heard of her.
But as pp pointed out, she has been discussed here before.

So now. Butters, where is your apology for all the vile signs your lot were waving last week?

not excuse, it is a possible explanation.
it is not excusing any of her awful actions

I don't condone incitement to violence and I don't condone permanent damage to public gathering places and monuments.

While the sign game from last weekend was mostly excellent, certain idiots clearly didn't think their creations through and as a peaceful protester myself who has experienced both credible threats of - and outright escalations to - violence many times at protests, I'm deeply offended by and disappointed in them.

Out of the more than 20,000 extremely angry and afraid people who turned up to protest in London, it's very difficult to guarantee that all of them will behave - as KJK has discovered several times at her own rallies which have been blighted by the presence of neo-nazi salutes.

I don't give a shit about people drawing tiny hearts in washable chalk that don't even obscure the text on statues and will be gone within a couple of days, though, and frankly it's embarrassing (and rather revealing) to see the sweaty desperation with which the media has scrabbled to find a villain narrative over some chalky scribbles the last few days.

If this had been happening in France, there'd have been burning and overturned vehicles all over the place.

Let us not forget that Stonewall was, after all, a riot. We're still allowed to think of the event that kickstarted the modern struggle for LGBT rights as a positive thing, right?

Anyway, Nicola Murray - founder of trans-exclusionary refuge Brodie's Trust and one of Scotland's best-known anti-trans activists who led the witch-hunt against Mridul Wadhwa (who was driven out of her job at a rape crisis centre in Edinburgh by the abuse she received at Murray's hands) turned out to be an evil abusive nonce who was preying on multiple children for 20 years.

Oh, she's mates with Sonia Sodha, Malcom Clarke and Rosie Duffield and is apparently still followed online by the FWS account, btw.

She's just an obscure outlier who shouldn't be taken as representative of the whole, though, right?

Well… I suppose if you’re saying that this person should be representative of the whole, we could discuss Karen White, Katie Dolaski, Isla Bryan etc…. I mean, they must be representative of the whole right?

Ah so you don't think it is hypocritical for
Feminists to tar all TRAs with the pedo brush due to some being pedos
TRAs then tar all feminists with the pedo brush due to some (one?) being a pedo
Feminists to then get all upset at the brush tarring cos 'we're not all like that'

I am neither a TRA nor a feminist just a 'moderate' observing human nature with interest and it just seems a bit ironic to me.

So an awful woman did something awful, so we have to let men in our spaces.

I hope you've all got that.

Mridul Wadhwa

You mean the predatorial male who asked women in therapy sessions (despite him having no training in therapy at all whatsoever) if they 'orgasmed during the rape', and who also told rape victims to "reframe their trauma"? THAT Mridul Wadhwa?!? ??? He resigned in disgrace at the filthy perverted behaviour he displayed which was exposed.

I've followed the Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre scandals and the predatorial male behaviour of Mridul Wadhwa which led to his disgrace and resignation since the beginning. At NO STAGE have I ever even heard of a person called Nicola Murray. So yes, she is an obscure person with no actual links to GC women.

But of course, Mridul Wadhwa the predatorial male is the victim.... yeah, sure. Your misogyny and hatred of women is palpable and visceral. By making Mridul Wadhwa out to be a victim, instead of the predator he is, you are really not making yourself look good.

The OP tarred all feminists with the pedo brush. You said NOTHING to them, instead pounced on those who pushed back.

Sure you're not a TRA. I'm the Pope. Truly!

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So everyone who doesn't agree with the echo chamber is a TRA?
Your indignant anger gives you away.

as KJK has discovered several times at her own rallies which have been blighted by the presence of neo-nazi salutes.

Did you miss the apology from John Pesutto to KJK for suggesting that neo nazis were at LWS. Or the defamation case he lost against Moira Deeming

More disingenuous codswallop from Butterfly. Surprise surprise.

The neo-nazis showed up to fight with antifa, as they do, and the women attending LWS got caught in the middle. If antifa hadn't decided supporting women's rights made KJK a modern day facist, and left the event alone, the neo-Nazis wouldn't have bothered their arses about LWS.

The trans people who show up to pro-trans protests with signs calling for violence against women, though? They actually belong to the group they're giving a bad name to.

There's a big difference.