Hampstead Heath Ladies Pond - considering the SC judgement

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Apparently the CoLC is considering its position

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/25109343.equality-ruling-affect-hampstead-heath-swimming-pond/

Does anyone know if there’s an everyday sexism-style log for women to anonymously log the times they’ve felt uncomfortable with a TW being in a female-only space but haven’t complained?

I know there are more general records for crimes, mad news stories, etc, but specifically for “I didn’t complain but was deeply uncomfortable” stories.

The fact that women haven’t complained about trans-inclusive policies is one of the most frequent arguments I’m hearing, and it would be especially useful to have a resource to point to at the moment, while orgs are updating their policies and deciding whether or not women are fine with having biological males in their supposedly single-sex spaces.

Wonder why the beeb/Guardian and co under report this travesty. I really hope ‘Man-day’ gets the attention it deserves.

If MEN object to their space not being single sex for ONE DAY then I expect it just might…

@LonginesPrime This is SO needed... I don't know of one, but want to contribute if anyone knows - or sets up....

Absolutely.

At this point, if there isn’t already a site for this, I think the most effective way to get these silenced women heard will be to include our stories of these situations where we’ve felt unable to complain in our responses to the EHRC consultation for the new statutory guidance (in the next week or two).

Hopefully Sex Matters will issue some guidance on responding once the EHRC consultation details are released, so assuming the consultation will allow individuals to respond, I’m sure they will remind everyone to describe these situations where silence might otherwise be taken to imply consent.

Oops - apologies - posted message on wrong thread!!

Though peaceful self-care is a much needed antidote to trans madness!!

You could go and do your nails at the men’s pond!

Wow, I'm delighted that Man Friday have resurrected their protests.

Brilliant timing. Although it's a shame as a bit chilly today

So he had the bikini bottom pulled to the side? He must have done if you had a clear view of his cock and one ball. Why didn't you report him???

@AmaryllisNightAndDay I just bought the Kindle version - it was on sale! Thanks for the recommendation!

@StuckUpPrincess Fear. They had just voted to accept transwomen, no one else was doing anything, everyone else was accepting.... I agree, I could have been stronger, but didn't feel able to in that moment. I think I thought I would be asked to leave and not come back.

I get it.

Christ, seeing someone with their bathing suit pulled to the side and their genital exposed must have been a massive shock. How absolutely awful. 🤢

They haven't reverted to women only as per the law immediately, but that article does say their policy remains as it is 'while reviewing the Supreme Court judgment's implications.' Does that mean that they might be thinking about changing it?
I suppose the tricky thing for them is if they want to continue to call it the 'women's pond ', as it's been called forever, then it has to be single sex. If they don't want it to be single sex, then presumably they'll have to rename all the ponds? Will they continue to have the men's pond, the mixed sex one, and then… What will they call the third?

In my view - and I might be wrong - I would think that if there were two ponds, men and women's, their obligation is to continue to have men and women's but to make them single sex (how does this sentence even make sense, what nightmare do we live in?!?!!)

In my view, given they already have a third, mixed, pond, they have even less reason to not continue with men's / women's.

I completely agree! Unfortunately, that's not how they've been conducting themselves, and they've clearly got at least one high-profile woman willing/eager to service men at women's expense.

Not sure if they were allowed in:

x.com/HaringeyReSist/status/1919372295337906430

This sounds a lot like the advice Stonewall have been giving out about the SC decision not being law yet etc:

The City of London Corporation rejected these accusations, stating: "These accusations are completely false. The City Corporation is compliant with existing UK law."
“In line with other affected organisations we are carefully considering the judgment and awaiting statutory guidance from the Equality and Human Rights Commission – which service providers must take into account.

Infuriating

Maybe they could put the same level of security on the women’s pond to keep the men out. Probably won’t though. Just as long as the men aren’t upset.

The existence of the Mixed Pond doesn’t get enough attention. If they haven’t allowed women into the Men’s Pond today that will cause them a lot of problems 👏

It's so transparently hypocritical. Why don't women get that level of protection from men invading their spaces?

If they weren't let in, then they have a clear sex discrimination case, following the latest ruling.

If the pool is not using the single-sex exemptions, they can't exclude women.

The could try saying "well, the men's pool is single-sex", but if the women's pool is not single-sex, then that's also sex discrimination.

There is no longer any ambiguity at all here in the definition of sex for the discrimination law.

All we need now is someone with bottomless pockets who can afford the upfront costs of taking everyone to the cleaners.

The only way the pool has of getting out of it is saying "yes, we do use the single-sex exemptions to provide single-sex spaces, and that's why these women were excluded from the male space."

How? They chucked women out from the ‘men’s pond’ before. Yet the ‘women’s pond’ had men use it willy nilly. According to a poster, one lad even had his penis visible and a bollocks hanging free from his ‘ladies’ swimming costume. All the better to inflict a male paraphilia.

How can women stop get this bald discrimination against women? Whilst men can just get the police to stop any women entering their pond.

Would women have to privately fork out again to bring a case against discrimination. Whilst the state makes sure women are kept in control if they dare to even slightly mirror what men are doing.