Hampstead Heath Ladies Pond - considering the SC judgement

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Apparently the CoLC is considering its position

https://www.hamhigh.co.uk/news/25109343.equality-ruling-affect-hampstead-heath-swimming-pond/

Apart from anything else, I’d like to see the TRAs telling us that TIMs “pass” in a swimming situation and we can’t tell 😹

It's a very common name - I think it's highly unlikely....

There was quote saying the lifeguards say transwomen had been swimming there for years with no issues so you can even obviously tell even at a distance...

“No issues” meaning they’d never observed a man actually manhandling a woman. What that lifeguard couldn’t see is all the women who felt uncomfortable and didn’t come back.

Or didn’t attend in the first place as they were aware of the policy.

I saw an article earlier from a lesbian about some trans-inclusive lesbian festival she ran, saying she had never had any complaints that attendees felt uncomfortable having transwomen there - but obviously she wouldn’t from the people who were necessarily comfortable to attend on that basis in the first place!

Such a pointless argument.

Lets be honest, there would never be an issue that in the opinion of those making the decisions justified the appalling step of saying no to a man.

Women have been raped in hospitals and prisons without that making any real difference, and those are just the ones that made it into a court room. Considering that less than 1% of rapes are successfully prosecuted, many women choose not to go through the horrific process of reporting a rape or assault, and women in hospitals and prisons were very heavily pressured not to put in a complaint or even put on record that it happened?

No one has a clue what the body count of excluded, harmed, assaulted women actually is in the service of helping men express their inner selves. And to the GI lobby it will never matter .

Very true. Worse if you mention risks to women from transwomen that's transphobia and equates all transwomen to rapists.

As per the Dr. Upton case with Sandie. When attempting to explain why she wanted privacy changing she mentioned cases of women in mens prisons.

From tribunal tweets "X (internal investigation) found that this was wrong. This could be seen as insinuation that DU posed risks, such as rape."

Incidentally they do pose risks such as rape, having a penis. She wasn't insinuating that but even if she had that wasn't wrong.

Well we see the BBC do the trained 'ally' thing all the time of it being transphobic to share any information in which the GI aspects look less than rosy. Good allies suppress, don't mention, don't evidence it happening. Poof it's vanished and it never happened.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/hampstead-ladies-pond-fails-to-ban-trans-women-b1225392.html

Esther Freud, a famous author from a famous family, has written in the Observer that she welcomes male people at the Pond. Screenshots in linked tweet:

https://nitter.space/kathmurray1/status/1918961092740481360#m

It's not up to Esther Freud - who btw sounds a bit dim

I remember him. He was embroiled in the discussion about Freemasonry back in the day:

Freemasons break tradition as they allow women to join the brotherhood (if they were born male) | Daily Mail Online

Quite. Hadn't realised it was her private property. She can welcome who she likes in the mixed sex pool to her heart's content. It'll get her less head pats though.

Agree it’s not up to Esther Freud but I also wonder about the kind of TW Freud has encountered at the Pond: rich, educated, well-mannered, toned and groomed, expensive plastic surgery. Perhaps not the ones who are a bit less … agreeable.

Class plays such a big role in all this and I fear the Pond will become mixed-sex before powerful posh Ladies like Freud will agree they were wrong.

Man Friday are planning another go tomorrow - will be extremely interesting to see how they’re treated!

I am someone who was at the Ladies pond when a male in a bikini was letting it all hang out... clear view of cock and at least one ball...I was afraid to challenge given they had just voted to accept transwomen...Deeply unpleasant, they were just sitting on the edge of the deck beside the ladder you climb into the pool from... so a definite eye-full on display...

And he will have taken your silence as
a) Not realising he was trans
b) Acceptance

rather than the reality that is
a) revulsion
b) fear

Or quite possibly was enjoying that he was making this display to women with no power to challenge, and making them uncomfortable and intimidated. That's bad enough in a mixed sex space.

That position was no doubt chosen deliberately. The lifeguards are behind him on the deck. The deck is the only means of access to the water. The only people who could have seen this delightful display were women in front of him in the pond.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14676953/Bank-holiday-Womens-rights-campaigners-set-wreak-havoc-male-pool-Hampstead.html

Indecent exposure is an offence punishable by up to two years in prison. It's also a well-known beginner's offence, in men who go on to rape or kill. That's how Sarah Everard's killer started his woman-hating criminal career.

What a thrill it must have given this fellow to know that he was getting away with it, because our gutless authorities haven't got the nerve to throw offenders out or have them arrested.

You were probably wise not to challenge him, Loveyouradvice. He might have got violent, and it would certainly also have given him lots more fun, knowing that you couldn't stop him.

I can't wait for the day organisations and police start taking 'minor' sex offenders like these seriously again. The trans smokescreen has weakened the law and given these sex predators boundless opportunities to harass women and girls over the past few years. Removing their access to women's facilities will be an excellent start.

How perfectly predictable! We must all pretend a man is a woman, except if that is inconvenient to him.

It's like the Gender Recognition Act, which allows exceptions where it's important that a man should keep his proper privilege. For example, "the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour will take place as if a person recognised in the acquired gender were still of the birth gender".

Time to get the knitted beards and moustaches out then!

I am someone who was at the Ladies pond when a male in a bikini was letting it all hang out... clear view of cock and at least one ball...

And of course, you are not allowed to take photos, so you couldn't capture the evidence of his indecent exposure - and help to give the W*er a nice prison sentence.

Ah but no-one complained so obviously everyone must be fine with it…

Honestly, I do find it bizarre that even after #MeToo and a wide acknowledgement that silence doesn’t imply consent, people are still so blind to the imbalance of power between the sexes as to not
twig (or to wilfully ignore) the fact that women not saying something doesn’t mean women are fine with it. Especially on this issue, where people have been so relentlessly bullied for making the tiniest objection.