Anyone else also tired of the protests trying to focus only on toilets?

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Bring on the talks of sports, prisons, rape centres, refuges and hospital wards. With focus on those providing care as well as receiving it, I say.

You can't have one without all the others.

You're absolutely right it does already exclude some women. I just think it was seen as an easy in for TRAs to make people focus on whilst everything else was worked on. I think that most women expect TS to be your stereotypical HSTS variety and in the past been quite protective of them (at least that was my experience), so that's been very much exploited on the bathroom issue. Though I think many are waking up to that fact!

As a female biology teacher, the biggest issue for me has been language. Introducing terms such as 'cis' to shoehorn 'trans' into the female category, rather than the male category. The erasure of 'woman' for 'person', 'breasts' for 'chests' etc.

They aren't going to focus on sport because it would be the most enormous own goal.

Might it not be because its the thing that impacts all transpeople? They're not all competitive sports people, they certainly aren't all in prison. Toilets are the universal experience.

One of the ways they employ DARVO is to pretend that we are only interested in toilets. They'll talk about how Terfs are obsessed with toilets, and then when we say that no, we also care about prisons, sports, changing rooms, intimate care for disabled women, rape crisis centres etc, and then they'll just say "Why are you so obsessed with toilets?"

And then they'll go on an entire fucking march where they do nothing but talk about how important it is to them that they get to piss where they want. And apparently none of their fawning handmaidens even notice the contradiction.

I was surprised ‘toilets’ wasn’t mentioned at all in the judgement. If it had have been, maybe there wouldn’t be so much talk on it?

Obviously it’s the most common single sex facility most people will use. And the fact so many people have bad experiences in them - the worst being women because of men, and also when people die or come to harm in them.

Then there’s me who won’t shut up because I am trying to keep toilets safe for everyone. The safest being single sex with doors gaps, at least a floor to door gap big enough to see how many are in there and if they are ok. The worse, most unsafe, being mixed sex private toilets. If you hadn’t got that yet 👍

So bring on the protests then the conversations about toilets and let’s get back to designing toilets which keep everyone safer (which appears to be 1974 according to the DfE)!

I forgot about the lesbian dating scene intrusion 😤. Simply vile and abhorrent.

When do we get to hear them discuss that?
I did hear one of the green party leaders say something about it. Let me see if I can find it again.

This.

Actually, it really does matter to a lot of women. Myself included.

I'm aghast at the number of posters on here and on AIBU (only a small proportion I know) who cheerfully admit to objecting to the clarification by the SC that lesbians and gay men are entitled to same sex relationships and association.
They're so utterly ignorant and uncaring about the details of the judgement and unable to see their open homophobia / lesbophobia! All the time while lecturing women with their tone deaf ignorant superiority about how the SC are biased. 🙄

Toilets are important, especially where children can be taken in with us , and a trans man decides to use the ladies … any space like this is somewhere that a biologically born woman or children use in important because these spaces can be exploited just like the Scottish “woman “ did and raped a female prisoner … so it is actually an issue.

How many times does the average person need the loo in public? It’s a weird thing to obsessed about, perhaps they all have bladder issues.

Just wait til you get a bit older!

Out of curiosity, do prostate issues increase the likelihood of needing public restrooms?

Honestly I think they're all important. Trying to minimise the importance of women's toilets ignores why feminists fought so hard for them in the first place.

I was sexually harassed in a new mixed sex toilet at my uni which was trying to be progressive (decades ago before the trans thing). It became a de facto male space because it wasn't safe for women to use. Most of us used to go to other buildings to use the female only loos but a female student was raped in them before they were shut down and then reassigned as single sex again.

I occasionally work somewhere with mixed sex individual cubicles and I still really hate it. Not just the underlying sense of unease but just the complete state toilets are left in that make them unusable for women to actually sit to use them.

Yes and there a great campaign to try and get sanitary bins in men’s toilets. The bins need to be different design than ladies ones in my opinion.

Yes. There’s also an ongoing campaign to have sanitary bins in their loos to dispose of used pads and other incontinence products.

ETA: crossed. My aunt’s DP is keen on this.

I don’t care about toilets much either but I’m in my 50’s

Teen DD would feel differently in certain situations especially at school and in certain public situations and depending on the time of day too and how busy etc

They've certainly made their intention clear: they intend to continue using women's facilities as they've done until this point with impunity. The problem we now face is that it's not illegal for them to do this.

The sexes stayed segregated in the past as part of a socially-accepted contract. This has now been violated to the extent that it's become very difficult to roll it back, particularly given the doors can now be labelled unisex and there is no obligation on employers, institutions and organisations to provide single sex facilities.

The government would have to legislate to make using facilities intended for the opposite sex a criminal offence. I'm not holding my breath.

Well, I care about toilets. In terms of frequency, women are more often in public toilets than in prison, hospital etc. Any attempt to minimize toilets is a sneaky attempt to desensitize women to transwomen in women's spaces. Don't be sucked in. I also suspect this is an underhanded way to prepare women for a "compromise": transwomen will give up prison if they can keep toilets. For the privacy, dignity and safety of women it is really important to hold the line.

Also, how many protests focus only on toilets? Usually there are a range of issues.

Not really. Toilets are important. Some women cannot use a gender neutral/unisex toilet for reasons of faith, trauma etc. Not being able to use public toilets means women cannot be in the public space. We must partially disrobe to pee, where men can go behind a tree. Lack of safe, clean, single sex toilets disenfranchises us. It's not trivial - but the trans lobby have constantly suggested it is trivial and on the back of this triviality also invaded our other sex segregated spaces.

Toilets are what peaked me. I'm a member of a loose group of people who gather in a pub in a small corner of the City. The only thing that we have in common is that we work in the same industry. And then there was lockdown.,..

As we krept back to our offices the group reformed. Not exactly the same but similar. The one significant difference was John. John was my special mate. He had the same role as me in a similar sized underwriter. We dealt with the same people and I loved his dry, comical analysis of them.

John was now Johanna. OK. Johanna had abandoned their illuminating sarcasm in favour of how liberating they found feminine undergarments and how I would benefit from using more figure enhancing underwear.

I kinda thought that they were in the first throws of their new identity and would learn to modify their conversation subjects but then I needed to go for a wee...

Johanna stood up at the same time that I did and said that we should go together. They wittered on about girls going to the loo together as we walked.

And then, at that very moment, I peaked. "Johanna" wasn't going to the loo with a friend, "Johanna" was stealing my dignity for her validation.

I didn't go into the loo with him and we have never spoken again.

😮

I'm glad you held back from validating his nonsense, wonder if he'll revert back now the truth (sex) has been confirmed as the legal standpoint.
He was simply a controlling man, getting away with lying in front of a group of people, what a kick for him!

They cannot argue using rape crisis centres, prisons etc so they stick to toilets, are we going to police them and genital inspections 🙄

You cannot be a woman in the loo but a man when ur comes to a changing room or hospital ward. You are either a woman or you are not. And transwomen are absolutely not women