English Blackball Pool Federation

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The hearing is scheduled for 7th-11th April at Canterbury County Court.

Tribunal Tweets will be following the case…

Live tweeting sessions Abbreviations
J - His Honour Judge Parker
HH - Harriet Haynes, claimant
RW - Robin White, claimant’s barrister
CC - Colman Coyle, claimant's solicitor
EBPF - English Blackball Pool Federation
PT - Paul Thomson, defendant
AG - Anna Goodwin, defendant
SC - Sarah Crowther KC, defendants’ barristers, and
SS - Sapandeep Singh Maini-Thompson
JRL - JR Levins LLP, defendants’ solicitor
JG - James Goodwin, witness for defendant

The original thread has been deleted for “breaking Mumsnet guidelines”. Not sure why but possibly “misgendering” or possibly making it too easy to find the crowdfund @mumsnet it would be good if you could let us know so this thread can stay up. Do we have to pretend that the Claimant is female?

What exactly are the qualifications of this footballer and self-confessed geolist to give 'expert' evidence in this matter?

BH trying to say longer arms might be a disadvantage now.

BH's basically arguing that men are disadvantaged at pool compared to women!
Whether BH realises it or not.

it's incredibly stupid and offensive.

eg the women's world record for the 100m dash is 10.49 seconds.

the men's record is 9.58.

but then the men's masters records for older men get progressively slower.

eg for men over 40 years old the record is 9.93.

for men over 45 years old the record is 10.72.

so should men aged 45+ be allowed in women's races, no questions asked?

I remember that scene in Conan. Poor Arnie could barely move...

Won't somebody think of the poor menz and their exhausted heavy-boned over-muscled long dangly arms? 🤪

And that the need to use a rest is a big bonus because they can develop 'technique'.

And there are no facts, just opinions or points of view. Apparently.

BH now drawing on thems own experience playing pool. Counsel points out that the witness has been called to give expert evidence as a scientist not their personal experience.

BH now saying longer fingers are a disadvantage. Difficult to play subtle shots because of the angles 'and all that sort of stuff'.

Catching up on this morning's happenings. Judge unimpressed by BH's patronising cake analogy. 'Leaving cake out of it' then paraphrases what BH said in much clearer terms. This judge appears to have some scientific knowledge. They (he/she?) also appeared to know something about Elo chess ratings and gaussian distributions yesterday. Bodes well for following the dubiousness of BH's research protocols I think.

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How did RW think this guy was going to help? Their entire case seems to rest on male entitlement and what they think should be true.

BH- length of fingers, blah, blah, if that makes sense
Counsel - no it doesn't. <Moves on>

SC 'so only one cyclist' 😂😂
Is EH going to appear? She'll make mincemeat of this clown and the judge appears to have the competence to recognise this.

the one cyclist is dear old Emily Bridges, is that right?

Believe so.

Grip strength will be another area where men suffer from a disadvantage. Along with height, bigger muscles on their larger skeleton, long reach and longer fingers, absolute strength from their upper body, not needing to use mechanical aids. I presume more stable hips and a male puberty will be the final nail in the coffin.

Why is a geologist appearing as the expert scientific witness on human bodies?

👀

away from the witness stand, they'd probably find that accusation flattering, that they've become a silly girly girl.

I googled Blair.

Per Manchester Met: "Dr Hamilton is at the forefront of research exploring the impact of gender-affirmative endocrine care on the athletic performance of transgender athletes."

Per Uni of Brighton: "Introducing Blair Hamilton, a trailblazer in the world of sports research at the University of Brighton's School of Sport and Health Sciences."

Presumably there aren't too many people researching this stuff (who would be acceptable to RMW)?

It's a very odd bio for a university researcher on an official university website. The exclamation marks!