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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ChatGPT describes how to butter toast in the style of Judith Butler

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IwantToRetire · 26/03/2025 17:34

The act of buttering toast is not merely a neutral, mechanical operation but rather a performative enactment of breakfast itself, one that is inscribed within a broader matrix of cultural norms and expectations. To grasp this act fully, we must interrogate the implicit structures that render toast and butter legible as objects within the epistemological framework of morning consumption.

One does not simply butter toast in an autonomous, self-evident manner. Rather, the gesture is citational, reiterating a series of habitualized practices that constitute the normative boundaries of what “buttering” and “toast” mean within the hegemonic discourse of breakfast. The knife, a seemingly benign implement, operates as an extension of the subject, its movements governed by the tacit knowledge of what constitutes an appropriate distribution of butter. But whose butter? Whose toast? And who determines the adequacy of coverage, the sufficiency of spread?

To spread butter is to engage in a spatial-temporal negotiation with the toast’s surface, a surface that, like the body, is neither neutral nor inert but already implicated in the conditions of its own reception. The butter itself, melting into the porous texture, does not merely adhere but interpellates the toast as toast-that-has-been-buttered, a new ontological state that emerges through the process of application.

Yet, this process is neither universal nor without contestation. Alternative subjectivities and resistant practices—margarine, jam, dry toast—gesture toward the instability of breakfast norms, revealing the contingency of what is often taken as a given. In this sense, the act of buttering toast is not merely an individual choice but a site of discursive production, where the subject is both constituted by and constitutive of the structures that govern legibility, taste, and the performative materialization of the morning meal.

(Saw this on facebook and thought I would share as I know how highly FWR values JB's thought process. Apparently there is a whole number of these, eg how to eat a banana in the style of Judith Butler.)

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MarieDeGournay · 01/04/2025 12:19

JustSpeculation · 01/04/2025 10:17

This has been very interesting. I don't think Butler actually understands the difference between a definition of something and a marker. I remember someone here some time ago saying that she's actually not very bright. I see very clearly what that someone* meant now.

*Sorry, I genuinely can't remember who it was.

*Sorry, I genuinely can't remember who it was.

Think of a name. Double it. Now take away the first name you thought of. That was probably the name of the person who said that JB is not actually very bright There's no shortage...😆

I dunno... I hesitate to say she's not very bright, I think she probably is very intelligent- she obviously knows a lot and didn't get as far as she has got by not being bright.
I'm sure she's a lot brighter than I am, she definitely knows a lot more than I do, that's for sure. And she's more famous and earns more...😒
I think she's probably highly intelligent, she's obviously highly educated, it's just what she does with her intellect that I don't like.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2025 12:28

Intelligence without nous and/or some connection to objective reality is possibly worse than useless.

MarieDeGournay · 01/04/2025 12:35

ErrolTheDragon · 01/04/2025 12:28

Intelligence without nous and/or some connection to objective reality is possibly worse than useless.

Yes, I like to think that although I know a lot less than JB, and quite possibly have a lower IQ, I can be very useful.Smile

And although I can't interrogate the implicit structures that render tomatoes legible as objects within the epistemological framework of fruit, I know not to put them in a fruit saladGrin

WinterFoxes · 01/04/2025 12:43

CranfordScones · 26/03/2025 18:59

This style of opaque academic drivel was unmasked years ago by Alan Sokal's hoax. Presumably it persists because its purveyors have nothing to say, or their ideas are so simple that they need to be dressed up in intellectual pretence. It just provides grist for those who argue that the humanities aren't worth preserving.

This post nails it. My DH once read aloud two pages of rage-inducing, incomprehensible theory-babble and reduced it to the sentence: Most people go to the cinema to be entertained.
The AI JB is funny but also far too clear.

Hermyknee · 01/04/2025 13:27

As an old farmhand (with no academic qualifications) said to me once, ‘you can’t get eggs from a cock’. I was teary as he was killing all the male chicks.

Judith, if you’re reading this, you can’t change nature with words. I suggest you spend a bit of time in nature for your bit of discombobulation. Nature is very reality-based and good for our souls.

IwantToRetire · 01/04/2025 18:23

As today is April 1, when in theory people put foward (im)plausible stories to see how many fall for it, I had this thought.

What if, on retirement, JB turned round and said thanks for the ride, I didn't mean any of it, but felt entitled to continue as so many of you told me it was worthwhile. So if you didn't mind, why should I?

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JustSpeculation · 02/04/2025 16:16

MarieDeGournay · 01/04/2025 12:19

*Sorry, I genuinely can't remember who it was.

Think of a name. Double it. Now take away the first name you thought of. That was probably the name of the person who said that JB is not actually very bright There's no shortage...😆

I dunno... I hesitate to say she's not very bright, I think she probably is very intelligent- she obviously knows a lot and didn't get as far as she has got by not being bright.
I'm sure she's a lot brighter than I am, she definitely knows a lot more than I do, that's for sure. And she's more famous and earns more...😒
I think she's probably highly intelligent, she's obviously highly educated, it's just what she does with her intellect that I don't like.

(snip) I think she's probably highly intelligent, she's obviously highly educated, it's just what she does with her intellect that I don't like.

That also makes sense. It's possible to have brains but no judgement or common sense.

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