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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

ChatGPT describes how to butter toast in the style of Judith Butler

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IwantToRetire · 26/03/2025 17:34

The act of buttering toast is not merely a neutral, mechanical operation but rather a performative enactment of breakfast itself, one that is inscribed within a broader matrix of cultural norms and expectations. To grasp this act fully, we must interrogate the implicit structures that render toast and butter legible as objects within the epistemological framework of morning consumption.

One does not simply butter toast in an autonomous, self-evident manner. Rather, the gesture is citational, reiterating a series of habitualized practices that constitute the normative boundaries of what “buttering” and “toast” mean within the hegemonic discourse of breakfast. The knife, a seemingly benign implement, operates as an extension of the subject, its movements governed by the tacit knowledge of what constitutes an appropriate distribution of butter. But whose butter? Whose toast? And who determines the adequacy of coverage, the sufficiency of spread?

To spread butter is to engage in a spatial-temporal negotiation with the toast’s surface, a surface that, like the body, is neither neutral nor inert but already implicated in the conditions of its own reception. The butter itself, melting into the porous texture, does not merely adhere but interpellates the toast as toast-that-has-been-buttered, a new ontological state that emerges through the process of application.

Yet, this process is neither universal nor without contestation. Alternative subjectivities and resistant practices—margarine, jam, dry toast—gesture toward the instability of breakfast norms, revealing the contingency of what is often taken as a given. In this sense, the act of buttering toast is not merely an individual choice but a site of discursive production, where the subject is both constituted by and constitutive of the structures that govern legibility, taste, and the performative materialization of the morning meal.

(Saw this on facebook and thought I would share as I know how highly FWR values JB's thought process. Apparently there is a whole number of these, eg how to eat a banana in the style of Judith Butler.)

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KnitFastDieWarm · 26/03/2025 17:39

This is both superb and horribly accurate (I say this as someone who has multiple
humanities degrees - I don’t think it’s a coincidence that i now work on plain language and accessibility 😁)

MarieDeGournay · 26/03/2025 17:42

I love it!😂
'interpellates the toast as toast-that-has-been-buttered, a new ontological state that emerges through the process of application'.😂

Actually that bit makes sense, as buttered toast is not the same as toast, and hot buttered toast is not necessarily the same as either - proving the instability of toast norms Grin
Maybe I'd understand JB better if she wrote about toast rather than gender...

Redshoeblueshoe · 26/03/2025 17:45

😂

Hoydenish · 26/03/2025 17:53

Funny and dreadfully accurate as well.

lcakethereforeIam · 26/03/2025 17:54

Thank you.

Perhaps I should give her books a go, I nearly understood that. Then again I'm interested in toast. Gender? Not so much.

QAOPspaceman · 26/03/2025 17:55

This is so good. I nearly gestured towards the instability of breakfast norms by snorting tea out my nose

JustSpeculation · 26/03/2025 18:12

I don't think it's very accurate. It's too easily understood and the sentences are too short (some paragraphs even have more than one sentence.). Compare the famous, prize-winning:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

Edited to rearticulate the punctuation in an affordance of obsequious surrender to the hegemonic characterised by an imposition of Onionsian theory in deference to normative practice.

InWithThePlums · 26/03/2025 18:20

JustSpeculation · 26/03/2025 18:12

I don't think it's very accurate. It's too easily understood and the sentences are too short (some paragraphs even have more than one sentence.). Compare the famous, prize-winning:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

Edited to rearticulate the punctuation in an affordance of obsequious surrender to the hegemonic characterised by an imposition of Onionsian theory in deference to normative practice.

Edited

I gave up after the first line! Was that the aim do we think?

JustSpeculation · 26/03/2025 18:23

@InWithThePlums The aim is to establish and maintain a reputation as "good at theory".

Britinme · 26/03/2025 18:25

I love that! Who'd have suspected AI of having a sense of humour? Or (dreadful thought) was it being serious?

MarieDeGournay · 26/03/2025 18:44

JustSpeculation · 26/03/2025 18:12

I don't think it's very accurate. It's too easily understood and the sentences are too short (some paragraphs even have more than one sentence.). Compare the famous, prize-winning:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

Edited to rearticulate the punctuation in an affordance of obsequious surrender to the hegemonic characterised by an imposition of Onionsian theory in deference to normative practice.

Edited

I ran that para through Copilot [the first time I've ever used it!]:

This passage discusses a theoretical shift in understanding social and power relations. It moves from a structuralist perspective, where capital is seen as uniformly shaping social relations, to a hegemonic perspective, where power is seen as dynamic—shaped by repetition, convergence, and rearticulation. This shift emphasizes temporality and moves away from Althusserian structural totalities, focusing instead on the contingent and flexible nature of power. Hegemony is reimagined as tied to specific, ever-changing strategies and sites where power is redefined. It highlights the evolving and fluid nature of social and structural dynamics.

Now why didn't you say that in the first place, Judith Butler?Grin

lcakethereforeIam · 26/03/2025 18:48

Nope. I think i almost understand it but it still reads like bollocks. I feel a little sorry for the AI though.

CranfordScones · 26/03/2025 18:59

This style of opaque academic drivel was unmasked years ago by Alan Sokal's hoax. Presumably it persists because its purveyors have nothing to say, or their ideas are so simple that they need to be dressed up in intellectual pretence. It just provides grist for those who argue that the humanities aren't worth preserving.

IwantToRetire · 26/03/2025 19:00

There is part of me that thinks maybe JB will get a little glow from knowing this is going on.

But on the other hand it is good to show that not everyone bows down to the verbage vomiting that make it seem a good purgative might be the solution to the source.

But as a PP said, it probably is too simple, and the reality is that 99.9% of those who start to try and read JB just give up so dont even get much of a response to these parodies as (luckily for them) their brains have never taken in any of the relentless nothingness.

Seriously of what use is JB to the real world. But if it gets a safe sinecure in a University it sort of sums up the purpose of the establishment and the person.

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NameChangedOfc · 26/03/2025 19:19

KnitFastDieWarm · 26/03/2025 17:39

This is both superb and horribly accurate (I say this as someone who has multiple
humanities degrees - I don’t think it’s a coincidence that i now work on plain language and accessibility 😁)

Brilliant! We're both in the same boat 😁

IwantToRetire · 26/03/2025 19:26

How would Judith Butler describe eating a banana

Judith Butler, renowned for her theory of gender performativity, might approach the act of eating a banana as a complex interplay of cultural norms, gender identities, and bodily performances. In Butler's framework, gender is not an innate quality but a series of actions and behaviors that are socially constructed and repeatedly enacted. Therefore, the way one eats a banana—whether casually, sensually, or hurriedly—can convey and challenge societal expectations of gender roles.

Moreover, the banana itself carries rich symbolic weight. In art and culture, it has been used to explore themes of sexuality, foreignness, and desire. For instance, Natalia LL's 1973 video "Consumer Art" features a woman eating a banana in a suggestive manner, prompting discussions about the fruit's phallic symbolism and its association with luxury and taboo under Soviet Communism.

Therefore, from a Butlerian perspective, eating a banana transcends a simple act of consumption; it becomes a site where gender identities are performed, cultural meanings are negotiated, and societal norms are both reinforced and subverted.

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MarieDeGournay · 26/03/2025 19:33

If 'gender' is replaced by 'toast' or 'a banana', it starts to become somewhat clearer to me. Should I be worried?Confused

Maybe the problem is that JB writes about something as vague and ill-defined and waffly as gender, so the style is vague and ill-defined and waffly too.

As Kobayashi Issa put it:
The man pulling radishes
Pointed the way
With a radish.

ErrolTheDragon · 26/03/2025 19:42

Elsewhere someone mentioned butlerian instructions for making cheese scones but I couldn’t find a link to it.

IwantToRetire · 26/03/2025 19:49

ErrolTheDragon · 26/03/2025 19:42

Elsewhere someone mentioned butlerian instructions for making cheese scones but I couldn’t find a link to it.

This is on X so not sure if you can see it:

https://x.com/i/grok/share/BZwgpUSsev0zIZyAEUzOVC4aq

Its very long so not sure about copying it all, as there is not only the first recipe but a second version when quantities are not specified.

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murasaki · 26/03/2025 19:59

This has made me laugh a lot. It's textbook Butler.

IwantToRetire · 26/03/2025 20:04

I am very distrubed now by 2 things.

I got chatGPT to describe sex based rights in the manner of JB and it almost made sense why she would say we shouldn't accept there is such a thing ... help!

And then I have found out that what I thought was a whole new online humour escapism started 3 years ago. I am always out of the virtual loop. Sad

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lcakethereforeIam · 26/03/2025 20:11

The AI overlooked the symbolic emasculation in the act of a woman eating a banana burble burble chewed and swallowed 🍌

JanesLittleGirl · 26/03/2025 20:30

JustSpeculation · 26/03/2025 18:12

I don't think it's very accurate. It's too easily understood and the sentences are too short (some paragraphs even have more than one sentence.). Compare the famous, prize-winning:

The move from a structuralist account in which capital is understood to structure social relations in relatively homologous ways to a view of hegemony in which power relations are subject to repetition, convergence, and rearticulation brought the question of temporality into the thinking of structure, and marked a shift from a form of Althusserian theory that takes structural totalities as theoretical objects to one in which the insights into the contingent possibility of structure inaugurate a renewed conception of hegemony as bound up with the contingent sites and strategies of the rearticulation of power.

Edited to rearticulate the punctuation in an affordance of obsequious surrender to the hegemonic characterised by an imposition of Onionsian theory in deference to normative practice.

Edited

Bloody hell! Has she been injected with a record player needle?

SinnerBoy · 26/03/2025 21:19

I think the best one on that thread was the Harold Pinter one act play.

As I don't know know how to do it, I'd love to see an Alan Bennet version, hopefully with a sniping row about the proper pronunciation of scone...