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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/03/2025 10:20

Datun · 29/03/2025 10:05

Unlike your 'I have inferred no causal effect', but you wimmin still have to explain why there is one.

Even tho you 'don't need to demonstrate any causal effect', because it's only about 'the big picture evidence' and that 'having gender self ID laws does not appear to be detrimental for women'.

Denying you're trying to find a causal effect by talking about big picture and what things appear to be, and then demanding women refute it!

What's really desperate is trying to use unrelated and misrepresented stats from another country to undermine women here.

It's so pointless. But you're like a dog with a bone over it.

Because quite apart from anything else connected to your non-argument the women here say no.

In this country the answer is no, absolutely not, forget it, no way jose. Men have to stay out of women's spaces. The end.

Using irrelevant stats from somewhere else, really isn't going to change that.

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Yep.

TheKeatingFive · 30/03/2025 10:57

If anyone thinks that incarcerating men with women is a great developmemt
for women, then god help us all. 🙄

lifeturnsonadime · 30/03/2025 14:25

Wow this thread is incredible. No awareness at all of the harms that the left has done to women, both here and in the USA.

Women who believe that it is a feminist position that human being can't change sex and that there are times where that really matters to safeguard women and children are not responsible for Trump's policies.

We had this time and time again, as another poster pointed out, in the lead up to the last election here. Yet this current 'left wing' UK government is introducing policies that disproportionately harm women and we're still supposed to some how believe that left wing = amazing for women's rights.

I'm 50 this year. I've always voted Labour and supported the Democrats, I definitely do not support Trump or approve of many many things that the Tories represent but I'm not so fucking blinkered to think that the only way a feminist can do feminism properly is blindly follow the tune of the 'left'. I was brought up to think critically and that's what I do. I'm pissed off that at my age I would rather not vote because all of the options are horrific for women, yet here we are!

None of the TRAs on here have been prepared to say that the right to so-called 'trans health care' is the price to pay for women's reproductive rights which tells me everything I need to know about how feminist they are. Yet we are supposed to concede the very definition of womanhood in order to have the right to reproductive rights, hell no! And if those posters think that they are the feminists then they are very very misguided.

As has been pointed out the Democrats have only ever used reproductive rights as a carrot to dangle for the female vote. That they can't see that , and the left's insistence to promote the rights of males to encroach on women's boundaries, is directly responsible for the current status quo astounds me. Roe v Wade was overturned during a Democratic administration. There is none so blind as those who will not see.

TheKeatingFive · 30/03/2025 14:32

I mean, let's face it. Women's reproductive rights have advantages for men too.

So left leaning men supported women's rights when there was something in it for them.

But the second they have to choose between women's rights and what the bros wanted, they stand with the bros.

Thanks a bunch lads 🙄

lifeturnsonadime · 30/03/2025 14:35

TheKeatingFive · 30/03/2025 14:32

I mean, let's face it. Women's reproductive rights have advantages for men too.

So left leaning men supported women's rights when there was something in it for them.

But the second they have to choose between women's rights and what the bros wanted, they stand with the bros.

Thanks a bunch lads 🙄

Yes absolutely!

PippistrelleBat · 30/03/2025 16:10

Did you look at the study in your first quote or just the press release? They are extrapolating from just 36 incidents of violence in the transgender population, and just 16 incidents in men who identified as trans. Unsurprisingly with such a small sample size the confidence intervals are huge and curiously they have gone for 90% confidence intervals, rather than the usual 95% confidence intervals. Nevertheless the results showed no statistical difference between men who identified as trans and people who do not identify as trans - even when broken down by sex. Indeed, the graph curiously places the x axis crossing the y below zero, hiding the fact that for men who identify as women confidence intervals go to zero - meaning the number of violent incidents for trans identified men is not statistically different from zero. Whoever wrote the press release either have no understanding of statistics or was being dishonest.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7958056/

Gender Identity Disparities in Criminal Victimization: National Crime Victimization Survey, 2017–2018 - PMC

Objectives. To estimate the prevalence of personal and household victimizations among transgender people in the United States. Methods. We analyzed pooled 2017 and 2018 data from the National Crime Victimization Survey, the first nationally ...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7958056/

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 01/04/2025 12:36

Kankangeroo · 26/03/2025 09:10

But as long as PP is doing what they're doing, then they're giving the Republicans perfect cover, because what the Republicans are doing can be justified, and is right, regardless of motivation.

This is very naive, as though the republicans and right wing interests haven't been attacking PP relentlessly before the trans issue. You really think they would stop? Do you truly believe the Republicans actually have an issue solely with the 35k or so patients they see for hormones and not the millions of patients they see for contraception or abortion? Or have they just found an angle that has got you supporting the withdrawal of life saving services for women. PP have always operated on the principal of bodily autonomy and access to healthcare for our bodies whether people politically agree with it or not. As far as I can see, PP don't do puberty blockers. They do cross sex hormones for adults (and 16+ with parental consent), any argument you want to use to support revoking the right of those people to access that care because you dislike it could and is used to argue against access to contraception and abortion.

Or have they just found an angle that has got you supporting the withdrawal of life saving services for women

This

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/04/2025 18:32

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 01/04/2025 12:36

Or have they just found an angle that has got you supporting the withdrawal of life saving services for women

This

On the contrary, I find it tragic and disgusting that genderists have the gall to assert that women's real need for birth control and at times abortions has any moral equivalence whatsoever to identity-driven demands for cross-sex hormones or surgery in service of a sexist and misogynist belief system, and to shame women for caring about the former but not the latter.

Greyskybluesky · 01/04/2025 18:50

Hear hear, Flirts.

MakeYourOwnMusic can't pass up an opportunity to have a sly dig at the posters on FWR though.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 20:41

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 01/04/2025 12:36

Or have they just found an angle that has got you supporting the withdrawal of life saving services for women

This

Yep.

Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄

lifeturnsonadime · 01/04/2025 20:43

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 20:41

Yep.

Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄

Yet no one has said anything of the sort.

typhon · 01/04/2025 21:06

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 20:41

Yep.

Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄

It's always easier to win a debate - at least in your own head - if you just make things up that you you wish the other person had said rather than engaging with their actual argument.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 21:13

The argument seems to be: Trump's purging of DEI and cuts to women's services is damaging to women vs No they're not because Trans stuff is cut too.🙄

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 21:26

This is an argument that you've made up, TooBigForMyBoots.

TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 21:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 20:41

Yep.

Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄

It's not about trans 🙄, it's about MALES.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 21:53

TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 21:42

It's not about trans 🙄, it's about MALES.

Not for me. I'm a feminist. My feminism centres WOMEN. I see the damage Trump is doing to women with his slashing of funds to women's services and his indiscriminate DEI purge.

TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 21:56

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 21:53

Not for me. I'm a feminist. My feminism centres WOMEN. I see the damage Trump is doing to women with his slashing of funds to women's services and his indiscriminate DEI purge.

Males are not any type of WOMAN. If your feminism centres MALES in any form, you are not a feminist.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 23:10

My feminism doesn't centre males in any form. It's all about women. That's why my focus is the impact of disastrous Trump policies on WOMEN. You know, adult human females whose services are being slashed.

TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 23:16

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 23:10

My feminism doesn't centre males in any form. It's all about women. That's why my focus is the impact of disastrous Trump policies on WOMEN. You know, adult human females whose services are being slashed.

You don't come across like it. Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄
makes it sound like you are not team feminist but team trans. Otherwise why mock your own side. What's with the friendly fire then.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/04/2025 23:22

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/04/2025 21:53

Not for me. I'm a feminist. My feminism centres WOMEN. I see the damage Trump is doing to women with his slashing of funds to women's services and his indiscriminate DEI purge.

Asolutely Trump is hurting women.

Amazing though it may be to some on this thread, it is possible to condemn what Trump is doing to women's (actual, real, not a sexist pastiche) women's rights and also not believe that trans women are women and be glad that the excesses of genderism are being rolled back.

Because aside from the trite TWAW slogan, the needs and demands and expectations of men who claim to be women have the square root of fuck all to do with the challenges faced by actual women and the needs and rights that these challenges gave rise to.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/04/2025 00:33

TheGentleOpalMember · 01/04/2025 23:16

You don't come across like it. Trump could round all the women up, put them in camps and you'd get his cheerleaders telling you he's just keeping them safe from trans.🙄
makes it sound like you are not team feminist but team trans. Otherwise why mock your own side. What's with the friendly fire then.

Trump's cheerleaders are not my side. They are on the side of Trump, not women.

TheGentleOpalMember · 02/04/2025 02:32

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/04/2025 00:33

Trump's cheerleaders are not my side. They are on the side of Trump, not women.

Good then that absolutely none of us here are Trump's cheerleaders. So, still, that comment of yours was redundant.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 02/04/2025 08:38

typhon · 01/04/2025 21:06

It's always easier to win a debate - at least in your own head - if you just make things up that you you wish the other person had said rather than engaging with their actual argument.

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This

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/04/2025 16:51

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 21:26

This is an argument that you've made up, TooBigForMyBoots.

No it's not. It's the argument that was started on the first page of this thread. The OP posted a link to an article detailing the damage Trump is doing to women's services. The 2nd post was about how PP also provide trans stuff.

From then on in that became the focus of the thread. Not the women who would suffer. As one poster put it Yes, there will be consequences for some women, but overall it's a sensible move if it's only for the short term.Hmm

This is not a sensible move for women. This is not feminism that centres women.

NotBadConsidering · 02/04/2025 18:17

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/04/2025 16:51

No it's not. It's the argument that was started on the first page of this thread. The OP posted a link to an article detailing the damage Trump is doing to women's services. The 2nd post was about how PP also provide trans stuff.

From then on in that became the focus of the thread. Not the women who would suffer. As one poster put it Yes, there will be consequences for some women, but overall it's a sensible move if it's only for the short term.Hmm

This is not a sensible move for women. This is not feminism that centres women.

Incorrect.

My post was pointing out that one of the reasons, probably the most likely reason that PP has been targeted for its “DEI stuff” is because of its provision of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones for children causing sterilisation, infertility, sexual dysfunction, osteoporosis, brain impacts etc. What you call “trans stuff” I call medical malpractice.

Almost every post subsequent was about PP stopping this in order to focus on its primary purpose of providing healthcare services for women, nothing about “cheerleading keeping safe from trans”. As Arabella points out, this is an argument that you have made up.

Planned Parenthood has two choices I would say:

a) stop causing harm to children and keep its funding for the provision of healthcare for women or
b) continue to push to be allowed to harm children at will and risk losing its funding that helps the provision of healthcare for women.

I think it should choose option a). What option do you think it should choose?