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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

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IwantToRetire · 25/03/2025 22:38

The Trump administration is planning to freeze tens of millions of dollars in federal grants to organizations providing family planning and other reproductive health services, as it reviews whether the funds violate the president’s order to cease all government-backed diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) work.

A Health and Human Services spokesperson told The Wall Street Journal, which reported on the plan, that the department was reviewing grants to make sure they complied with the crackdown on DEI.

The freeze to the Title X program could impact as much as $120 million worth of grants to a network of roughly 4,000 clinics providing free and discounted pregnancy testing, contraception, sexually transmitted infection (STI) testing and treatment, and evaluations and testing for infertility.

Planned Parenthood, whose affiliates could lose roughly $20 million if the paused grants are ultimately cut, reacted with alarm.

“The Trump-Vance-Musk administration wants to shut down Planned Parenthood health centers by any means necessary, and they’ll end people’s access to birth control, cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment, and more to do it,” Planned Parenthood Federation of America CEO Alex McGill Johnson told the newspaper.

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs

Change could impact thousands of clinics providing contraception and sexually transmitted infection testing

https://www.aol.co.uk/trump-team-stop-family-planning-211853228.html

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PippistrelleBat · 29/03/2025 09:05

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:03

So what you're saying is you can't answer my question?

You can't explain why it does not seem to be detrimental to women to live in countries that have self-ID laws, and that women who live in these countries enjoy the highest levels of wellbeing and equality with men?

Because they record men as women.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:06

PippistrelleBat · 29/03/2025 09:05

Because they record men as women.

I've already explained how recording transwomen in data for women (if this is indeed what happens) would lower the overall scores for the category, as transwomen score poorly across the measures that are looked.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2025 09:07

suggestions, I made a whole thread especially for you to debate this report, which has been discussed innumerable times, the flaws and problems with it pointed out many times. Because you are very wedded to this report, and this report only. It's still there for you to use!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5024934-global-gender-gap-report-2023

Global Gender Gap Report 2023 | Mumsnet

[[https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023 https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2023/]] A thread t...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5024934-global-gender-gap-report-2023

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:08

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:03

So what you're saying is you can't answer my question?

You can't explain why it does not seem to be detrimental to women to live in countries that have self-ID laws, and that women who live in these countries enjoy the highest levels of wellbeing and equality with men?

There is no question to answer. You are basically asking if a country is performing well economically, why is domestic violence a bad thing? It shows you genuinely believe correlation equals causation and have a fundamental inability to think critically.

That you think it's not detrimental to women to have fully intact males in female spaces simply because some country does well economically shows there is a fundamental problem with the critical thinking wiring.

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:08

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:06

I've already explained how recording transwomen in data for women (if this is indeed what happens) would lower the overall scores for the category, as transwomen score poorly across the measures that are looked.

transwomen score poorly across the measures that are looked.

No they don't.

PippistrelleBat · 29/03/2025 09:09

What possible reason might there be that men in Afghanistan might not push to be treated as women in all aspects of their lives? It is puzzling why countries where women are treated the poorest men don’t want to be treated as women….. 🤔

PippistrelleBat · 29/03/2025 09:11

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:06

I've already explained how recording transwomen in data for women (if this is indeed what happens) would lower the overall scores for the category, as transwomen score poorly across the measures that are looked.

You stated it but provided no evidence. Though it is also irrelevant. Working class white men in the uk are the lowest achieving group in the UK, yet white men are also the highest achieving group.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:13

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2025 09:07

suggestions, I made a whole thread especially for you to debate this report, which has been discussed innumerable times, the flaws and problems with it pointed out many times. Because you are very wedded to this report, and this report only. It's still there for you to use!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5024934-global-gender-gap-report-2023

On the contrary Arabella, I have previously referenced several highly respected international studies, which all point in the same direction.

giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

The top 10 countries in the 2023 Women, Peace & Security (WPS) Index are Denmark, Switzerland, Sweden, Finland, Luxembourg, Iceland, Norway, Austria, Netherlands, and New Zealand.

Are you trying to curtail how and where I post?

borntobequiet · 29/03/2025 09:14

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 08:32

This is a fundamental misapprehension.

You are presumably aware that there are plenty of countries who, in your opinion, can't define a woman (have gender self ID laws) who sit at the top of the equality leagues for women, and have not dropped down these tables despite having had gender self ID laws for some time now?

According the the Global Gender Gap Index, out of the top 10 countries in the world for women 8 of them have gender self -ID laws, several for some time now.

https://www.weforum.org/publications/global-gender-gap-report-2024/shareables-20b17bbe3a/

If what you are saying is true, how do you explain this?

Once again, the failure of logic. You infer a causal effect where there is only a correlation.
I would go into detail (as I have before) but others got there before me.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:14

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:08

There is no question to answer. You are basically asking if a country is performing well economically, why is domestic violence a bad thing? It shows you genuinely believe correlation equals causation and have a fundamental inability to think critically.

That you think it's not detrimental to women to have fully intact males in female spaces simply because some country does well economically shows there is a fundamental problem with the critical thinking wiring.

This is a huge question to answer, and I can see you are still not answering it.

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:15

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:14

This is a huge question to answer, and I can see you are still not answering it.

There is no question to answer, unless you can answer why these countries, that have such high rates of domestic violence, rate so well economically. Answer THAT.

borntobequiet · 29/03/2025 09:18

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:03

So what you're saying is you can't answer my question?

You can't explain why it does not seem to be detrimental to women to live in countries that have self-ID laws, and that women who live in these countries enjoy the highest levels of wellbeing and equality with men?

You present a question based on a fallacy and then expect a rational answer, denying the fallacy. It seems to be a common form of argument from genderists.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:18

borntobequiet · 29/03/2025 09:14

Once again, the failure of logic. You infer a causal effect where there is only a correlation.
I would go into detail (as I have before) but others got there before me.

I have inferred no causal effect, please don't misrepresent me.

The fact of the matter is I don't need to demonstrate any causal effect, I just need to show that the big picture evidence is that having gender self ID laws does not appear to be detrimental for women, otherwise why do the top countries in the world to be a woman have these self ID laws in place and why have they not dropped down the equality tables after implementing them?

I have no need to explain the ins and outs of this, just point out factually, that this is the case.

People who are gender critical however , and who are making the case that self ID is detrimental to women need to explain why this big picture data exists.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2025 09:19

Well, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why Master's degrees in gender studies correlates so closely with the distance between Uranus and the Sun. Riddle me this, eh?!

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/17007_the-distance-between-uranus-and-the-sun_correlates-with_masters-degrees-awarded-in-gender-studies

Trump team to stop family-planning funding as it reviews whether it’s being used for DEI programs
suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:22

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2025 09:19

Well, I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why Master's degrees in gender studies correlates so closely with the distance between Uranus and the Sun. Riddle me this, eh?!

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/17007_the-distance-between-uranus-and-the-sun_correlates-with_masters-degrees-awarded-in-gender-studies

Why have the top countries in the world to be a woman not dropped down the international league tables since implementing self-ID, if, as you are making the case, this is so detrimental to women?

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:22

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:18

I have inferred no causal effect, please don't misrepresent me.

The fact of the matter is I don't need to demonstrate any causal effect, I just need to show that the big picture evidence is that having gender self ID laws does not appear to be detrimental for women, otherwise why do the top countries in the world to be a woman have these self ID laws in place and why have they not dropped down the equality tables after implementing them?

I have no need to explain the ins and outs of this, just point out factually, that this is the case.

People who are gender critical however , and who are making the case that self ID is detrimental to women need to explain why this big picture data exists.

That countries doing well economically (basically dominated by men) means self ID is not detrimental to women and girls, despite all the evidence, is an absurd analogy.

Self ID harms women and is detrimental to women. This obvious. Go to any battered womens shelter or rape crisis centre. Men run the economies of the world. Not women.

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:23

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:22

Why have the top countries in the world to be a woman not dropped down the international league tables since implementing self-ID, if, as you are making the case, this is so detrimental to women?

MEN run the economies of the world.

Self ID has nothing to do with how well an economy works. And if you don't know that, there is something seriously wrong.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:25

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2025 09:21

And nobody ever talks about how cheddar cheese consumption rises right alongside the gender pay gap!

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/5967_cheddar-cheese-consumption_correlates-with_gender-pay-gap-in-the-us

I mean I get it, you're uncomfortable with what this means, so you want to try to make out that this is a spurious issue, and thread bomb with some weird and wonderful apparent correlations to attempt to undermine the very important question, which you just don't know how to answer.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 29/03/2025 09:27

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:22

Why have the top countries in the world to be a woman not dropped down the international league tables since implementing self-ID, if, as you are making the case, this is so detrimental to women?

Maybe try listening to women and you'll start to understand? Perhaps an odd idea for someone (according to your numerous posts) apparently so divorced from women's experiences. But on here you'll find countless posts about safeguarding, the sterilisation of children & young people in the name of GI, an ever increasing number of sex offenders, the awful impact on data of eradicating women as a class from data, women's experiences of VAWG and lots more.

Just a thought as you spend so much time on here.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:27

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:22

That countries doing well economically (basically dominated by men) means self ID is not detrimental to women and girls, despite all the evidence, is an absurd analogy.

Self ID harms women and is detrimental to women. This obvious. Go to any battered womens shelter or rape crisis centre. Men run the economies of the world. Not women.

The correlation between a country's economic performance and women's equality with men is nowhere near as strong as the correlation between women's equality with men and a country's implementation of gender self-ID laws.

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:30

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:27

The correlation between a country's economic performance and women's equality with men is nowhere near as strong as the correlation between women's equality with men and a country's implementation of gender self-ID laws.

There is zero correlation between women's equality with men and a country's implementation of gender self-ID laws. Zero.

Just as there is zero correlation between women's equality with men and a country's adoption of anti animal cruelty laws.

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:32

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:30

There is zero correlation between women's equality with men and a country's implementation of gender self-ID laws. Zero.

Just as there is zero correlation between women's equality with men and a country's adoption of anti animal cruelty laws.

😂 Ok. You're not really making a very convincing or evidenced argument here.

ArabellaScott · 29/03/2025 09:34

Well, I don't know why you're so scared to talk about the implications of cheddar, suggestions.

TheGentleOpalMember · 29/03/2025 09:35

suggestionsplease1 · 29/03/2025 09:32

😂 Ok. You're not really making a very convincing or evidenced argument here.

That women's equality with men is based on a country's implementation of gender self-ID laws is the least evidenced or convincing argument there is. 😂😂