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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shelagh Fogarty right now!

59 replies

skippy67 · 20/03/2025 14:16

Discussion about the need for public bodies to understand the difference between sex and gender. If you missed the first 15 mins, listen on catch up. She absolutely nails it

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MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 14:52

This Freda Wallace: 😂

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4928929-trans-ideology-a-real-life-debate

AprilF00L · 20/03/2025 14:52

"you underminded Alex"

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2025 14:53

We knew you were a man as soon as you opened your mouth FFS!

Appalonia · 20/03/2025 14:53

The person talking sounds like a man? I've only just switched on!

Lottapianos · 20/03/2025 14:53

What did I say? But what did I say? WHAT DID I SAY???

Hurty feels.....

Ok it's all getting WEIRD now!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 14:54

Oh dear - Sarah & Roy 😅

AprilF00L · 20/03/2025 14:54

Another one having a hissy fit. Too much testosterone.

Appalonia · 20/03/2025 14:54

This person is batshit!😂

NoHunGosh · 20/03/2025 14:54

OMFG Sarah.

Lottapianos · 20/03/2025 14:58

Not for the first time, the difference between the female callers and the trans callers is NIGHT AND DAY. The female callers talk passionately in full sentences about reality and biology and sanity, the trans callers are either aggressive and defensive, or have difficulty putting a sentence together and cannot think on their feet.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 14:59

Lottapianos · 20/03/2025 14:58

Not for the first time, the difference between the female callers and the trans callers is NIGHT AND DAY. The female callers talk passionately in full sentences about reality and biology and sanity, the trans callers are either aggressive and defensive, or have difficulty putting a sentence together and cannot think on their feet.

It's so worrying to listen to.

AprilF00L · 20/03/2025 15:00

Lottapianos · 20/03/2025 14:58

Not for the first time, the difference between the female callers and the trans callers is NIGHT AND DAY. The female callers talk passionately in full sentences about reality and biology and sanity, the trans callers are either aggressive and defensive, or have difficulty putting a sentence together and cannot think on their feet.

Elle says she's transgender so a "man". I agree that she different. I hope she's not on testosterone and she hasn't damaged herself.

Appalonia · 20/03/2025 15:00

Sean ( an actual bloke ) is speaking sense. Think he represents the majority view.

FreshOutOfFucks · 20/03/2025 15:04

NoHunGosh · 20/03/2025 14:54

OMFG Sarah.

PMSL at Sarah misgendering Alex throughout the whole call.

Pluvia · 20/03/2025 16:01

Lottapianos · 20/03/2025 14:58

Not for the first time, the difference between the female callers and the trans callers is NIGHT AND DAY. The female callers talk passionately in full sentences about reality and biology and sanity, the trans callers are either aggressive and defensive, or have difficulty putting a sentence together and cannot think on their feet.

And don't forget, folks, that these idiots are the ones our politicians have talked to and mingled with and agreed with, while turning their backs on the rational, reality-based women. We deserve better politicians.

Last week Eluned Morgan, the First Minister of Wales and a woman widely known to be GC, was asked in the Senedd by a Conservative Party member to define a woman. Instead of just saying 'Adult human female' she did the old oh-no-not-you-trouble-making-Tories-and-your-culture-wars! number.

She was one politician I'd hoped would stand up and tell the truth, but out of deference to that old idiot Mark Drakeford and his sidekick Jane Hutt, who both drank the Kool-Aid factory dry, she's backed away from bringing honesty and reality to Welsh Labour. Next year there's a general election and Labour know they're going to end up losing loads of seats to Reform because they daren't say the truth because it would reflect badly on the previous leader.

It's a classic example of small-nation syndrome, where personal and national loyalty to someone who's done something profoundly damaging (Drakeford) means that no one dares to put it right. Small nations (Scotland, Wales, New Zealand are the ones I'm thinking of) where familial, cultural and institutional connections abound because of parochialism mean that no one speaks out because they all know someone who's related to the person they ought to be criticising, or they'll be looking for a job in the relatively small academic or voluntary sectors if they lose their seat and they don't want to reduce their chances of future employment. It's the difference between having to bite your tongue because you live in a village and there's only one pub to go to, and living in a city where there's always another pub to hang out in. All the SPADs and grifters who persuaded clueless politicians into supporting GI have slunk off to other fields leaving our representatives covered in egg. (Sorry, rant over.)

Datun · 20/03/2025 16:16

Disturbing tho that was, it was also rather hilarious.

Especially when the second transwoman misgendered the first transwoman from start to finish with without even thinking. Accusing Shelagh of discrimination, when he discriminated his arse off.

I understand they were trying to keep it within the confines of the report, but seriously, to anyone listening, especially over the women's aid funding, it comes across as the deliberate and wholesale destruction of women's rights, by a very militant group of men.

And who was the one who said female refers to biological sex, but woman refers to gender?

Apart from the ridiculous result that now there is no longer a term for an adult human female, it's also going to be evident that the word woman is now in the purview of men.

God knows how LBC managed to get so many men fun in, usually they avoid these things like the plague, for very good reason. That was a one programme peak fest.

Datun · 20/03/2025 16:29

Datun · 20/03/2025 16:16

Disturbing tho that was, it was also rather hilarious.

Especially when the second transwoman misgendered the first transwoman from start to finish with without even thinking. Accusing Shelagh of discrimination, when he discriminated his arse off.

I understand they were trying to keep it within the confines of the report, but seriously, to anyone listening, especially over the women's aid funding, it comes across as the deliberate and wholesale destruction of women's rights, by a very militant group of men.

And who was the one who said female refers to biological sex, but woman refers to gender?

Apart from the ridiculous result that now there is no longer a term for an adult human female, it's also going to be evident that the word woman is now in the purview of men.

God knows how LBC managed to get so many men fun in, usually they avoid these things like the plague, for very good reason. That was a one programme peak fest.

*phone in !

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 16:30

"Who was the one who said female refers to biological sex, but woman refers to gender?" Wasn't that the mansplainer from Bournemouth who rattled out incoherent trans nonsense ? There was so much rubbish spoken by all bar one of the men (those claiming to be women and the rest) that it was hard to distinguish.

Datun · 20/03/2025 16:34

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/03/2025 16:30

"Who was the one who said female refers to biological sex, but woman refers to gender?" Wasn't that the mansplainer from Bournemouth who rattled out incoherent trans nonsense ? There was so much rubbish spoken by all bar one of the men (those claiming to be women and the rest) that it was hard to distinguish.

It really was. Illogical, self-contradictory, and clearly ideologically driven.

The bloke with the deep voice who said you and I would be indistinguishable from each other Shelagh. Absolute la la land.

I want AGP aired now. I wish Shelagh would do that.

it's still the massive elephant in the room.

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2025 16:35

Tom Swarbrick (LBC) discussing now. Tom is also a sex realist!
Alice Sullivan on now!

Hoydenish · 20/03/2025 17:53

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/03/2025 15:03

Well, that was brilliant! Well done Shelagh.

If you missed it you can listen back on LBC
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/how-to-listen/

Thank you Bore.

PronounsBaby · 20/03/2025 21:17

I know it's radio but it's all filmed, and I've seen clips. Is there a way to watch back to Shelagh and Tom's shoes? I want to see them try to keep straight faces! I wonder if James O'Brien mentioned it...

Skyellaskerry · 21/03/2025 10:37

@PronounsBaby you can easily listen again but I’m not sure about watching.
Ha! I would very much doubt JOB mentioned.
I thought Shelagh was her usual brilliant, straight to the point, clear, ever professional. I adore listening to her on this subject.