Elon Musk's trans daughter outs him for sex-selective IVF ie he wants sons

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Some of the wording in the article are not exactly FWR, but am posting more because (and it may not be true) the 15 (?) children he now has are because women have willing acting as "hosts" for IVF created babies. (Not surprised he would only want sons.)

In a post on Threads on Monday, Wilson — who is estranged from her father and frequently calls him out on social media — accused Musk of viewing her as “going against the product that was sold” when she came out as trans.

“My assigned sex at birth was a commodity that was bought and paid for. So when I was feminine as a child and then turned out to be transgender, I was going against the product that was sold. That expectation of masculinity that I had to rebel against all my life was a monetary transaction. A monetary transaction. A MONETARY TRANSACTION.”

Musk has made headlines over the years for his controversial approach to fatherhood, including his decision to have 14 children in large part because he is concerned with population decline, according to Walter Isaacson’s biography Elon Musk.

Now, Wilson is suggesting that Musk is focused on having boys through IVF. Out of his 14 children, he only has two cisgender daughters and one trans daughter, the rest are boys.

“How the f—k is this legal,” Wilson commented on her own post.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/elon-musks-trans-daughter-outs-151252447.html

I haven’t seen anyone here discuss any of his specific policies or actions, other than the possibility he might have used sex selection IVF which I don’t support, though we don’t know he did. All I have seen is name calling, ad hominem attacks, misrepresentation and speculation. Which of his actual policies or statements do you want to discuss? Please link to a credible source for those policies or statements. We can then discuss whether I support that or not.

I mean it's not impossible that Musk read The Boys from Brazil and took it as an instruction manual. Even his admirers say he's very eccentric.

But that feels to me so much like the kind of thing people want to believe about Musk, that I'd like something more to go on than Wilson's word. Wilson says all kinds of crazy stuff.

My only disagreement with your otherwise (imo) quite believable theory is the narcissistic "diagnosis". We know he is autistic: I wonder if some of the autistic traits seem, from the outside, like narcissistic ones. Or if both kinds of traits can coexist. I'm completely ignorant of this.

(I'm aware this is just arm chair psychology and I'm derailin the thread btw. I'll let myself out now 🙏)

When did FWR become pro-sex selection and pro-surrogacy (caveat: as long as it’s Elon Musk doing it)?

It’s almost as though we have a bunch of people who aren’t actually here for women’s rights at all.

Can you point to where someone has said this?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm totally opposed to both.

I'm just interested to know whether Musk is doing it, because I'm not convinced that (latest in a long string of wild statements from Musk junior) + (it's the kind of thing we imagine Musk might do) = (Musk is definitely doing it)

It could be true, but we don't yet have a reliable narrator.

When did fwr get so focused on US politics?

Countless US celebs are using surrogacy, lots of people here are using abortion for sex selection. But somehow its musk who is the focus?

@AshKeysDon’t be disingenuous. There have been several “What, there’s nothing to see here, sex selection happens elsewhere this is clearly just Musk Derangement Syndrome”-type comments in this thread from people who are oddly keen on Musk for a bunch of British feminists.

Well I’m one of them, and am firmly against IVF and surrogacy in all circumstances (sorry to those who would find that harsh and distressing).

I also won’t take this troubled person’s claims very seriously as they have an awful lot of reasons to want to rubbish Musk.

If it were all true, it wouldn’t make Musk a monster- at least no more of a monster than all those who have used surrogates to carry their children. And the same kind of monster as everyone else in the states and elsewhere that has chosen the sex of their children by ivf.

If my husband were single and a multibillionare, he would also look and at times act pretty bizarrely. Luckily for him he is neither.

We don’t know if Musk used sex selection, there is just speculation. He also did not use surrogates - posters are likening his use if women to surrogates but it is not the same thing, But feel free to start a thread on sex selection or surrogacy - I am happy to say I am firmly against both (except where sex selection for a narrow range of catastrophic sex-specific genetic conditions). What posters aren’t doing is engaging with wild speculation.

Just a thought bur maybe the ivf is to screen for a specific gene that led to the tragic case of Sids he and his first wife suffered.

Are you against IVF using the couples genetics and the genetic mother becoming pregnant? I can't see any moral issue with that?
The only potential moral issue is the discarded fertilised eggs, however that's no different to someone using the progestogen only pill as contraception which avoids the fertilised egg from sucessfully implanting.

There are plenty of moral issues around IVF - not just about discarded embryos or use of other people’s eggs and sperm. It is also a very exploitative industry that preys on couples hopes and which uses fear to add on a range of unproven extras at high cost.

I am probably ok with it used to select a healthy embryo where that would otherwise be a high risk. So screening for life limiting conditions.

Not ok with it being the answer to infertility.

Exactly. The way he uses women's bodies to create his offspring is extreme. It's like he's trying to separate mother and child from the very beginning, starting with IVF, progressing with surrogates, eventually distancing the mother from the children post split.

Why are you against it for infertility reasons? Not meaning this as a confrontation just curious as to why

I cant imagine how any woman would be physically attracted to Musk, but if it wasn't about money, what could any woman see in him.

Come on now, you may not like the man but he’s not bad looking and you underestimate how attractive a brilliant brain can be to a woman.

Uses woman’s bodies? He had relationships with all the women he got pregnant, didn’t he? It’s not like he lined them up to impregnate them then sent them on their way.

If he was just choosing boys he wouldn’t have 2 daughters surely?

Empathy is a fundamental weakness of Western civilization,

He didn't have a relationship with all the women he got pregnant.

Quite a lot of his pregnancies were through surrogates. Mostly using eggs donated by his partners but implanted in another woman. And sometimes at the same time/straight after those partners had had pregnancies the normal way. e.g. Grimes. And while Grimes was visiting her surrogate (pregnant with "her" baby) she ran into another woman also pregnant with Musks baby. So it literally is like lining women up and impregnating them. The surrogates presumable are well compensated and sent on their way.

I don't know if its true but apparently Grimes was able to negotiate having a girl (via surrogate) after giving him a boy. And he basically took ownership of the boy a lot more than the girl (see Grimes tweets about being seperated from the toddler, the custody battle, the fact its that child now a little older popping up in the Oval office/White house car sale etc).

No. Most of the women pregnant with his children were surrogates. He didn't impregnate them. He had the embryos he created inserted into them and nine months later collected a baby.

He had relationships with some of the women whose eggs he used.

I probably am not thoroughly consistent in my concerns but it’s about waste, privilege and entitlement.

We can’t always have what we want. We should be better at managing that, finding other outlets and comforts. I don’t know the statistics, but while there are couples fortunate to be satisfied with a baby resulting from a round of ivf, there are others living in penury broken hearted after multiple failures. Those with unlimited resources end up with at least one baby by one means or another. Meanwhile elsewhere people die early or suffer longer because the medical care they need is unaffordable.

I don’t agree we have the right to a child. There should be some things money can’t buy. We should be better at managing disappointment.

Oops, cross posted with @biscuitandcake.

you were more succint!

We can’t always have what we want.

Elon Musk can. And that is not a good thing. It is actively damaging to his children, their mothers and the women whose bodies he bought to gestate the embryos he picked etc.