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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Elon Musk's trans daughter outs him for sex-selective IVF ie he wants sons

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IwantToRetire · 12/03/2025 19:41

Some of the wording in the article are not exactly FWR, but am posting more because (and it may not be true) the 15 (?) children he now has are because women have willing acting as "hosts" for IVF created babies. (Not surprised he would only want sons.)

In a post on Threads on Monday, Wilson — who is estranged from her father and frequently calls him out on social media — accused Musk of viewing her as “going against the product that was sold” when she came out as trans.

“My assigned sex at birth was a commodity that was bought and paid for. So when I was feminine as a child and then turned out to be transgender, I was going against the product that was sold. That expectation of masculinity that I had to rebel against all my life was a monetary transaction. A monetary transaction. A MONETARY TRANSACTION.”

Musk has made headlines over the years for his controversial approach to fatherhood, including his decision to have 14 children in large part because he is concerned with population decline, according to Walter Isaacson’s biography Elon Musk.

Now, Wilson is suggesting that Musk is focused on having boys through IVF. Out of his 14 children, he only has two cisgender daughters and one trans daughter, the rest are boys.

“How the f—k is this legal,” Wilson commented on her own post.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/elon-musks-trans-daughter-outs-151252447.html

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AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:30

Lanifers · 12/03/2025 21:15

Natural selection would have taken care of his bloodline had it not been for the size of his wallet.

What a disgusting thing to say about bereaved parents.

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2025 21:39

Why do we think Elon Musk, who believes so much in his superiority and preference for males that he had selective IVF, had a son who transitioned?

Could it possibly be that Musk is somewhat sexist and had somewhat entrenched and sexist views on gender conformity and that his son felt he couldn't live up to these expectations and so decided he wasn't male after all?

I mean it's not like there's a pattern of males from ultra masculine professions (such as in the military) having a higher rate of transition than others, is it?

It not like internalised misogyny and homophobia is known to be a factor in transition is it?

I mean there's no trauma in being the eldest son, and then finding your father going all out to be the next Ghengis Khan with his DNA and feeling a certain amount of inadequacy because Daddy keeps churning them out because he's not found the 'perfect' one to satisfy his desire for an heir in his own image now is it?

I mean he's not a woman, but fuck me, it's not hard to work out why he might be a little screwed up by his father and his father's attitude to women.

The irony is, he sounds like a right chip off the ole block doesn't he?!

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:42

MakkaPakkasCave · 12/03/2025 21:23

None of those studies showed the issue was IVF rather than pre-existing issues that led to the need for IVF - something that would be absent if IVF was only done for sex-selection purposes. But Musk has off-set any increased risk by having 14 children (so far).

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2025 21:43

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:16

I disagree with sex selection, though it is legal in many countries. It has lead to millions of girls ‘missing’ from populations in many countries and this has had a negative impact on women in those countries.

Yep. It unbalances the population.

One of the problems China has is huge numbers of men unable to find a partner. This has led to a significant amount of human trafficking of women to secure a bride from abroad, in order for a family to maintain their bloodline.

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:50

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2025 21:39

Why do we think Elon Musk, who believes so much in his superiority and preference for males that he had selective IVF, had a son who transitioned?

Could it possibly be that Musk is somewhat sexist and had somewhat entrenched and sexist views on gender conformity and that his son felt he couldn't live up to these expectations and so decided he wasn't male after all?

I mean it's not like there's a pattern of males from ultra masculine professions (such as in the military) having a higher rate of transition than others, is it?

It not like internalised misogyny and homophobia is known to be a factor in transition is it?

I mean there's no trauma in being the eldest son, and then finding your father going all out to be the next Ghengis Khan with his DNA and feeling a certain amount of inadequacy because Daddy keeps churning them out because he's not found the 'perfect' one to satisfy his desire for an heir in his own image now is it?

I mean he's not a woman, but fuck me, it's not hard to work out why he might be a little screwed up by his father and his father's attitude to women.

The irony is, he sounds like a right chip off the ole block doesn't he?!

Having 14 children is pretty small beer if you are determined to spread your DNA. There are many much bigger families across the US. And once you start looking at sperm donors there any many men who have hundreds of offspring.

As for why one of his sons growing up amongst the liberal elite in America, surrounded by gender ideology and the idea that trans people are to be lauded, would decide to become trans? Perhaps the real question is why only one has fallen for this?

RedToothBrush · 12/03/2025 21:52

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:50

Having 14 children is pretty small beer if you are determined to spread your DNA. There are many much bigger families across the US. And once you start looking at sperm donors there any many men who have hundreds of offspring.

As for why one of his sons growing up amongst the liberal elite in America, surrounded by gender ideology and the idea that trans people are to be lauded, would decide to become trans? Perhaps the real question is why only one has fallen for this?

I do wonder how many he's going to end up with though. It's only been fairly recently that he's upped his farming of women to multiple hosts at the same time.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/03/2025 22:55

Musk is not a sane or rational man. It is no surprise to me that he sex selected embryos to be male. Nor is it a surprise to me that one of his children has chosen this route of rebellion and challenge.

I'm glad Wilson has spoken out and shone sunlight on the fucked up wanker, Elon Musk.
👏👏👏

LaLoba · 12/03/2025 22:59

SinnerBoy · 12/03/2025 20:05

Well, for people who say he's a wanker, the fact that all of his children are the product of IVF tends to support that.

It took me an embarrassingly long while clock this 😂

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 23:26

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/03/2025 22:55

Musk is not a sane or rational man. It is no surprise to me that he sex selected embryos to be male. Nor is it a surprise to me that one of his children has chosen this route of rebellion and challenge.

I'm glad Wilson has spoken out and shone sunlight on the fucked up wanker, Elon Musk.
👏👏👏

What is your basis for saying he is not sane or rational? Because you don’t agree with him? There is nothing irrational about having 14 children or choosing male offspring. Indeed in this increasingly misogynistic world it is very rational to want male offspring. And if you have the money it is also rational to have a lot of children and to have them with a number of women who you keep at arms length from your fortune. I may disagree with this but it doesn’t make his actions irrational.

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/03/2025 00:02

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 23:26

What is your basis for saying he is not sane or rational? Because you don’t agree with him? There is nothing irrational about having 14 children or choosing male offspring. Indeed in this increasingly misogynistic world it is very rational to want male offspring. And if you have the money it is also rational to have a lot of children and to have them with a number of women who you keep at arms length from your fortune. I may disagree with this but it doesn’t make his actions irrational.

The fact that he's a habitual drug user who needs an emotional support child and has a strained relationship with the mothers of his mostly IVF, children. Those are pretty big red flags in his present.

His past is an unfortunate parade of red flags. Musk, by dint of his upbringing, wealth, power and possible ND is a toxic male.

He is not a mentally healthy man.

TooBigForMyBoots · 13/03/2025 00:29

Soontobe60 · 12/03/2025 20:29

I wonder what his son thinks about surrogacy? Something tells me he’s all for it!

Elon uses women's bodies for surrogates. Even with the IVF biological children of the mothers/wives.

POSTC123 · 13/03/2025 00:40

Gosh I didn’t know that. How awful about his little boy 😢

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2025 00:51

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:02

It is possible to have a discussion on FWR without just intoning the forum base line

You mean, is it possible to have a discussion on FWR without people insisting on accurate language?

Oh for heavens sake.

The whole point was to quote what someone had said because it illustrates the issue.

It would have lost the point being made to impose the FWR correct language.

Honestly.

What is the point of attempt to discuss something if each time it is just reduced down to marks out of ten, for how FWR linguistically it is.

I have no idea if this story is true. I made it clear in the OP.

But the idea that an ultra male is then so negative towards a son because they are not "traditionally" male is one that has often come up. ie the whole better to be a TW than a feminine boy.

And yes, the impact of a domineering father may have led to exaggeration.

Which was why as I said, it would seem incredible that so many women would comply with this. Or maybe they got loads of money.

I cant imagine how any woman would be physically attracted to Musk, but if it wasn't about money, what could any woman see in him.

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IwantToRetire · 13/03/2025 00:57

Not wanting to derail my own thread, but given Musks public behaviour and how is acting out as Trump's henchman, would indicate that he certainly has values that no many other than Trump has, or potentially has no values at all. Other than self.

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IwantToRetire · 13/03/2025 01:01

Elon Musk refers to his political opponents as “NPCs.”

This term comes from the gaming world and refers to a nonplayer character that follows a scripted path and cannot think or act on its own, and is there only to populate the world of the game for the actual players. Amanda Marcotte of Salon notes that Musk calls anyone with whom he disagrees an NPC, but that construction comes from the larger environment of the online right wing, whose members refer to anyone who opposes Donald Trump’s agenda as an NPC.

The point of the right wing’s dehumanization of political opponents is to dismiss the pain they are inflicting. If the majority of Americans are not really human, toying with their lives isn’t important—maybe it’s even LOL funny to pretend to take a chainsaw to the programs on which people depend. “We are ants, or even less,” Waldman writes, “bits of programming to be moved around at Elon’s whim. Only he and the people who aspire to be like him are actors, decision-makers, molding the world to conform to their bold interplanetary vision.”

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-9-2025

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SpryUmberZebra · 13/03/2025 01:13

IwantToRetire · 12/03/2025 20:02

I said the article wasn't inline with FWR language and was making a totally different point.

The issue is about IVF and sex selection.

Which is family situations is bad enough but if made available to to multimillionare who can (possibily) pay any number of women to have his male children is something else entirely.

It is possible to have a discussion on FWR without just intoning the forum base line.

She’s disturbed, you don’t have to believe everything she says simply because you don’t like Musk.

emanresu24 · 13/03/2025 01:31

Sex selection of embryos is very common during IVF in the US. Having done IVF myself multiple times and talking to friends, women at my clinic and support groups, more chose the sex than don't.

IwantToRetire · 13/03/2025 01:56

She’s disturbed, you don’t have to believe everything she says simply because you don’t like Musk.

Honestly, what is going on on FWR? This wild conclusion plucked out of thin air.

Who said I believed what was said. But made the quote so as to talk about the point that troubled me.

And in fact I know very little about Musk, so again jumping in to the wrong conclusion. And have learnt a lot about him from this thread as many seem to have followed his career.

I just dont understand this endless need to find fault rather than engage in discussion.

If you think the OP of a thread is just bonkers you could just find a thread you are actually interested in and engage positively.

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LastTrainsEast · 13/03/2025 03:13

I like some of what Musk says and does, but not everything. That is normal. No one is ever 100% what you want them to be.

I'm strongly opposed to surrogacy and to some extent IVF (I believe that people who can't have children should adopt)

But while it's legal you can't simply paint someone as evil for using it.

So he used IVF as many on here have. He favours sons which many do. There are social and ethnic groups who feel strongly about that remember.

I suspect the crucial point is that he is friends with the guy the US people voted for instead of the one they were meant to vote for.

Userxyd · 13/03/2025 03:43

What does Trumps god fearing anti medical pro marriage pro oil hillbilly base think about his gender selecting IVF child buying single electric car tycoon from South Africa that he calls a patriot?

Shitmonger · 13/03/2025 04:28

I don’t think he’s really “outing” anything here as Musk’s sex-selected children have been talked about for years now. One of the women that he’s had multiple children with is a scientist at his Neuralink company in San Francisco. He’s clearly very interested in how his genetics manifest with different women who have different traits. Batshit for sure.

Gettingmadderallthetime · 13/03/2025 05:05

Is there any evidence that Musk is selecting sex? There are plenty of large sets of non-ivf siblings of same sex within families out in the world. I am guessing we all have friends where there was one more child to get a girl (or boy). With the same sperm provider in each case this can end up with larger and larger families of all boys (or girls). Agreed that Musk's stats are at the extreme end.

I have no insider knowledge on Musk's reproductive schemes but considering the source here I want more evidence than this person's word. If there was one mother involved in all births then the conception method might also be known by Vivian. Instead there were many mothers.

How valid is this claim?

Neurodiversitydoctor · 13/03/2025 05:19

AshKeys · 12/03/2025 21:30

What a disgusting thing to say about bereaved parents.

Many people lose children very few behave like Musk.

oakleaffy · 13/03/2025 05:30

Gettingmadderallthetime · 13/03/2025 05:05

Is there any evidence that Musk is selecting sex? There are plenty of large sets of non-ivf siblings of same sex within families out in the world. I am guessing we all have friends where there was one more child to get a girl (or boy). With the same sperm provider in each case this can end up with larger and larger families of all boys (or girls). Agreed that Musk's stats are at the extreme end.

I have no insider knowledge on Musk's reproductive schemes but considering the source here I want more evidence than this person's word. If there was one mother involved in all births then the conception method might also be known by Vivian. Instead there were many mothers.

How valid is this claim?

We haven't had any girls born in our family {since me} for decades- all boys. Sons, nephews, grandsons.. and I know of other families who just have girls. {Edit...via natural methods..not IVF}

oakleaffy · 13/03/2025 05:34

Shitmonger · 13/03/2025 04:28

I don’t think he’s really “outing” anything here as Musk’s sex-selected children have been talked about for years now. One of the women that he’s had multiple children with is a scientist at his Neuralink company in San Francisco. He’s clearly very interested in how his genetics manifest with different women who have different traits. Batshit for sure.

He sounds a little like... Hitler.